Iran; ' There's no reason to attack us '

There is no constituency for any more war in America. If Iran does not attack America or American forces first, America will not become a belligerent.

Israel will attack Iran after the last US troops withdraw from Iraq because Iraqi air space will be totally unguarded at that time.

 

No, I'm good...for now.

 

Kudos to the UK government (not necessarily the people) if they are truly aboard, at least the British government knows right from wrong and can see beyond their noses. Nuclear Iran is a disaster for the civilized world, disaster for the Arab world, let alone Israel.

There will be no war though, just like the bombing of Osirak in the 80s and the Syrian nuclear site in 2009 did not lead to war this won't lead to a war either, the nuclear facilities will be bombed into the stone age, a bunch of psychopaths (they know who they are) will go ballistic on the internet and will perhaps setup a few demonstrations, the Iranian dog will bark but it won't dare bite, it has no teeth to speak of anyway.

 

This is the elephant in the room.

It is why Norman Finkelstein refers to it as the Holocaust Industry.


Btw - those that like to land the anti semite card on you, the HATE it when you cite Finkelstein, since

A) He is Jewish

B) He lost both his parents, therefore, is in a good position to speak

C) Knows what he is talking about.

The Nazi Holocaust has not only become an actual industry, one worth millions, but it is often cynically used by pro Israeli's, as a means of rebutting criticism of Israel.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaJCRXsgt4"]The Holocaust Industry #1 - YouTube[/ame]

 

There was a time not too long ago when the Country that attacked or threaten to attack another Country, that did not attack or threaten to attack was the bad guy. But now, it is those that claim to be good are the ones threatening Countries that they label as terrorist Countries. People with evil intentions will always try to hide their evil by seeking to demonize the ones that is a target for their evil.

 

I am in Scotland, perhaps you could PM me, and we could chat about it specifically?

 

If you really think that Israel will LET the US sit on the sidelines, you are really naive.

Sorry.

They prefer to manipulate your people into doing their bidding.

Rather than spill their own blood, what with them being the self proclaimed 'Chosen', and all of that...

 

Yes, imagine Iran having millions of nukes.

Or even just one cartoon style one, operated by a big red button.

Imagine if Mars were populated by Lizard Men that wanted to eat our babies?

I think we need a pre emptive strike on Mars, just to be SAFE.

Chap - Iran do not have any nuclear weapons. They have no mandate to build them, although if I were in charge of Iran, I might want to, since I don't think the US would have been so swift to rape Iraq if they had nukes, what do you think?

They are entirely and legally entitled to use it for energy purposes, which is what they are doing.

Anything else you are told from now on is just WMD BS all over again.

 

Well said, and well noticed.

Jack

 

Right Jack...and Dimona is a toy factory...And I have a bridge here in Kazakhstan to sell you...real cheap.

You have zero intellectually honesty to claim this nonsense, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that the Iranians go through all these troubles, sanctions, world's condemnations, p&ss off the IAEA, hide stuff in underground bunkers, don't let the inspectors in just to harness the power of the peaceful atom and build what the rest of the world is rapidly rejecting - a nuclear power plant? Are you sure you don't want that bridge?

 

IRAN DO NOT HAVE NUKES.

PERIOD.

What does Iran say about developing nuclear weapons?

"We don't need nuclear weapons... it's not a part of our programmes and plans."

He told the UN in 2010 that nuclear weapons were "a fire against humanity".

Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who is reported to have issued a fatwa some time ago against nuclear weapons, has said: "We fundamentally reject nuclear weapons."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11709428


See.

Now, aside from what your state tells you, go find me evidence that they do have nukes, and are close to having them.

Good luck with a fool's mission.

 

Wake Up World, Wake Up America, You are being lied to and manipulated, you are being used.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E"]Apologize to the World Mr. Wallace and Return that Emmy - YouTube[/ame]

 

Coleridge did most of his best writing when he was loaded.

 

THIS IS NOT IN DISPUTE. Strawman much or reading comprehension issues?
They don't have nukes now, the idea is to destroy their nuclear program and prevent them from having nukes in near future. Still don't want that bridge in Kazakhstan? It's on sale till mid-night Almaty time.

 

Oh.

I see.

Gotcha.

You want to murder tens of thousands of their people lest Iran MIGHT get 'nukes in the future'.

Right.

With you now.

I'd forgotten the rules had been rewritten, and pre emptive strikes aimed at nations who DON'T have what you accuse them of, and murdering suspects is the order of the day.

 

Oh please, spare me this self-righteous hysteria, your ilk celebrated 9/11, you could not care less when Israeli civilians are murdered or when Ah-jad threatens to wipe Israel off them map (and cut the cr&p that he did not when the UN, the EU, the Russians, the US, all news networks including Al-Jazeera and Iranian ones said he did).

There will be no thousands of casualties unless Iran is dumb enough to retaliate. And people working on the enemy's secret weapons are legitimate targets and know or should know the risks they take. Too bad Iran made itself Israel's, american and british enemy, there is a price to pay.

 

Assume for the sake of argument that what you say is true. It's irrelevant.

Iran's actions heretofore have created the belief that Iran is on the verge of becoming a nuclear power. That belief taken together with Iranian hostility creates an existential crisis for Israel.

Israel now believes it must either undertake a first strike or watch as Iran, Turkey, Egypt, et al. close the net around it and destroy its ability to be a sanctuary for Jews.

Miscalculation is the handmaiden of war. War is coming to the middle east.

America will not be involved unless Iranian retribution against Israel targets Americans or American forces. Is so, then America will not invade or occupy Iran. America will destroy Iran. That isn't hard to do.

 

The UN disagrees

http://news.yahoo.com/un-credible-evidence-iran-working-nuke-weapons-153544271.html

 

Israel is looking at options

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/02/us-israel-missile-idUSTRE7A11BR20111102

 

And how does that create a crisis for Israel?

Iran cannot defeat Israel conventionally.

And since they both have nukes (when Iran eventually gets some - assuming it does) - then there is no way Iran would launch them knowing Israel could obliterate Iran in retaliation.

There is no practical threat to Israel's existence from Iran.

And certainly less then Iran's existence is threatened by Israel.

 

When Iran acquires nuclear weapons it will have a second strike capability. That takes the nuclear card away from Israel and establishes a nuclear umbrella for Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and their cohorts.

That leaves conventional warfare. Israeli conventional superiority can be eliminated by asymmetric weapons and tactics. Israel's economy can be brought to its knees, and her people demoralized.

Israel can be forced to enter into a hudnah. Then when the time is right Israel dies. The Beloved Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him, invented the hudnah.

 

Oh come on, this is so simple really. Iran is already supplying all Israel's enemies with weapons and training, can you imagine how brazen they will become under the umbrella of nuclear invulnerability, they'll be sending shiploads of weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah in daylight. And that's just conventional weapons, god forbid they will supply a nuclear device to their friendly Hamas representative...or an Israeli arab to detonate it in the middle of Tel Aviv. And that's assuming they are not crazy enough to just nuke Israel and deliver Al Quds to Allah (not necessarily the Palestinians), d^mn the consequences...

 

Are you serious?

If it is known that Iran has nukes and they are the only nuke country in the Middle East; and a nuke goes off in Tel Aviv...do you really think Israel/America could not figure out where it originated from?

Do you really think Israel would say (with Tel Aviv destroyed and much of Israel irradiated) 'well, it seems like it probably comes from Iran. But we don't want to be hasty until be have harder evidence'?

Of course not.

They would obliterate Iran...completely.

 

The nuke can come from Iran...or Pakistan or North Korea...or even Russia. The point is Israel is not going to take this gamble, the fact that Iran will keep supplying Israel's enemies with conventional weapons ever more brazenly (the point that you deliberately 'forgot') will suffice for Israel to take appropriate actions.

 

Yeah, that is what I said.

There is no way that Iran could unilaterally take out Israel today using only conventional weapons.

And even if they somehow could - America would never let it happen.

But even if one day Israel is vulnerable...you have still not answered my post.

There is no way Israel can completely destroy Iran's nuclear potential without physically occupying it.

And if they did somehow manage to take out the 60+ nuclear Iranian facilities...Iran could just build them again...and built them even deeper underground and just completely forget about the IAEA and do it completely in secret (outside of satellite surveillance).