Is Abortion Murder?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    At first I thought you were serious. Then I caught on to the joke. lol
     
  2. WhatNow!?

    WhatNow!? New Member

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    Thanks for the great quotes!!!!

    """""A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism."

    "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."

    "How smart does a chimpanzee have to be before killing him constitutes murder? If chimpanzees have consciousness, do they not have what until now has been described as 'human rights'?""""""



    How smart that guy was!!!!!



    Are you still Pro-Choice? Ya know you don't believe anyone should be forced to do what they don't want to do....

    still believe that?
     
  3. churchmouse

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    The quotes show that he was radically Left...he hated people of faith and made pot shots similar to those made on here by some posters. However smart you say he was...he believed by faith...in things he could not prove. Aliens....green martians.....UFO's. No proof...nothing. He had faith in something.....yea like he says people of faith do believing in God. Wrong for us.....and I believe we have proof....and ok for him to have faith in things unseen.

    No one should be forced to do something that they don't want to do. Posted out of context.

    For you this would mean....no one should have to go to prison...go to war....follow any laws. Right?

    We are a country of laws and of course we should have to follow rules and laws. There are some things I do not believe that people should do because they are forced. Following a religion they don't believe in etc. But I do not believe we should have laws that allow people to injure and hurt others. Obviously you do.
     
  4. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is absolutely deniable. Homicide is killing a PERSON, and a zef is just not a person. Not. A. Person.
     
  5. Gorn Captain

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    So many "pro-lifers" scream "It's murder"....yet almost none of them want women who take RU-486 executed for "murder"!?!?!?

    Odd, isn't it? it's almost like they don't believe what they say???
     
  6. WhatNow!?

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    """No one should be forced to do something that they don't want to do. Posted out of context."""""



    How could it be posted out of context, it's pretty clear.


    Or did you mean YOU, and those YOU agree with, shouldn't be forced to do something YOU don't want to do...but those YOU disagree with should be forced to do what they don't want to do.

    Isn't that it?
     
  7. churchmouse

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    Or should it be you and those on the pro-death side...want to force others to abide by their laws...in this case....the promotion and encouragement for women to abort. Your way or no way. You are anti-choice...no vouchers....but you want forced health care.....no guns.....and forced government to run peoples lives.
     
  8. churchmouse

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    I am not for the death penalty for anyone.....you hate pro-lifers so much that you put words into our mouths...you make up stories about what we believe all based on your rabid hatred for god and the unborn...christians....anyone with faith. Well except faith in deviant things. Then your all for it. Right?

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    Not to those who love abortion....who promote and defend it. But then I think your entire morality core...is deviant.

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  9. WhatNow!?

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    Squirm, weasel, dance around, lie, go off topic,.....anything but take personal responsibility and address:

    """No one should be forced to do something that they don't want to do. Posted out of context."""""

    How could it be posted out of context, it's pretty clear.

    Or did you mean YOU, and those YOU agree with, shouldn't be forced to do something YOU don't want to do...but those YOU disagree with should be forced to do what they don't want to do.

    Isn't that it?

    Pro-Choicers do not and have not ever forced anyone to have an abortion no matter what any warped , evil, self loathing mind might think....
     
  10. churchmouse

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    You encourage women to abort because its easy and clean...and its legal. Right? You are pro-abortion. And most of you with the exception of Pasithea who is the only non-hypocrite among you on this issue......want abortion illegal after 20 some weeks. Then YOU ENSLAVE THE WOMAN...BASED ON YOUR WARPED SENSE OF MORALITY. You want to take her bodily rights away. What right do you have to do this?
     
  11. Whaler17

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    As I have shown repeatedly in other threads, there is not a shred of logic to that position and it is simply wrong.


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    I never knew people actually admitted liberalism is a religion, Kudos to you!


     
  12. WhatNow!?

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    Squirm, weasel, dance around, lie, go off topic,.....anything but take personal responsibility and address:

    """No one should be forced to do something that they don't want to do. Posted out of context."""""

    How could it be posted out of context, it's pretty clear.

    Or did you mean YOU, and those YOU agree with, shouldn't be forced to do something YOU don't want to do...but those YOU disagree with should be forced to do what they don't want to do.

    Isn't that it?

    Pro-Choicers do not and have not ever forced anyone to have an abortion no matter what any warped , evil, self loathing mind might think....
     
  13. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    {sarcasm alert!!!!!} Wow! That's convincing! Why didn't anyone tell me that before?
     
  14. churchmouse

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    I never said you force anyone physically.....you encourage. Your position is the sick one...and you embrace the sick, the deviant things of society...abortion is just one of them.
     
  15. Archie Goodwin

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    Conservatives and Christians(!!!) abort children, many times, every day in America. It is those who my religion hold most dear. They were lost, yet when faced with an inconvenient pregnancy, were found, praise the Abortion God(!!!) and Plan B, Her only beggoten pharmaceutical.

    So step aside my liberal children, despite your love of sacred abortion!!! It is the prodigal conservatives and Jesus freaks for whom we must slaughter the fatted calf in celebration of their incovenient pregnancy bringing them back into our fold!!!
     
  16. WhatNow!?

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    How else would you force someone to do something...how do you NOT physically force a woman to give birth????


    AND:

    Squirm, weasel, dance around, anything but take personal responsibility and address:

    """No one should be forced to do something that they don't want to do. Posted out of context."""""

    How could it be posted out of context, it's pretty clear.

    Or did you mean YOU, and those YOU agree with, shouldn't be forced to do something YOU don't want to do...but those YOU disagree with should be forced to do what they don't want to do.

    Isn't that it?
    Pro-Choicers do not and have not ever forced anyone to have an abortion no matter what any warped , evil, self loathing mind might think....
     
  17. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    More absolute statements not backed by facts . .seems to be a common thread in your comments.
     
  18. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Well I am only here to convince thinking people, I have given up on the rest.

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    Can't read eh? That's too bad. :frown:
     
  19. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Can't debate eh? That's too bad. :frown:
     
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    One does not need to debate, one only needs to express his/her opinions. No one wins or loses in an anonymous forum as there is support available for all sides in the discussion.
     
  21. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy
    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
     
  22. Whaler17

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    I did, but liberals have the ostrich disease.

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    Unlikely, but you will one day have to answer for all the lies you and yours have told making women think they are actually not committing a homicide when they abort.

     
  23. Archie Goodwin

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    Actually, statistically very likely. We're a 75% Christian nation, and so far this year, which I'll admit it's early in the year, it sits at over 311 thousand abortions, so far. So let's even go so far as saying 90% are by Athiest / Agnostics, which is absurd to assume, but even then: 31 thousand abortions, by Christians or other faiths, which with 75% of all Americans being Christian, they're 83% of non Athiest / Agnostics, about. So round down to 25,000 abortions, by Christians, this year, being more conservative still in the estimate. And we're 94 days into the year. That's, even with an absurdly conservative estimate, 266 Christians aborting babies, each and every day, in America.
     
  24. Whaler17

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    Well everyone who calls himself a Christian isn't actually a Christian.

     
  25. Archie Goodwin

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    No; they are. That's precisely how it works: I'm walking along, and then one day, I have epiphany, and think Christ was (is) God, and say, "I'm a Christian."

    It's not like you have to be native born of Christiania the country. It's what we choose.
     

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