Is Abortion Murder?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I say we can pull the plug on those that are brain-dead, even though some would still say they are alive... but I would want the next of kin to decide... not the government

    so the question is, can the body be "alive" without a soul to control the mind

    http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
    "a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "U.S. Abortion Statistics"

    http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

    "43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% identify themselves as Catholic (AGI)."

    for those two groups of Christians equals 70% of all abortions right there alone
     
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    Wow. Add Christian non-demons, etc, and we're north of 75% abortions being done for Christians, which would suggest a higher rate of abortion among Christians than non Christians. Imagine that.
     
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    For once we agree, this site among others proves it to me every day.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    But some do not act like good Christians, ignoring the hungry and homeless is NOT Christian, at least not per what I believe Christ would want of us. Love your fellow man as much as you can and let God do the judging, HIS word on the matter is good enough for me.
     
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    Agreed, but I do not beleive using the government's hand to force OTHER people to cough up their money to the government's idea of who the needy are is Christian either.

    I would bet that most liberals who continually tout the evils of rich people have never lifted a finger to help another person in their lives

     
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    Yet yours are the posts devoid of thought and most include red herrings. Hmmmmmmmmmm:confused:


     
  8. Archie Goodwin

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    Purely subjective. Judge not lest ye be judged.
     
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    if you say so :roflol:
     
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    Standing in a garage no more makes one a car than sitting in church makes one a Christian.

    It is ones faith in Christ...their words and deeds...and their fruits that makes someone a Christian....one who takes on the Worldview...of Christ. Anyone can claim they are a Christian. I have heard people say they don't believe Christ rose from the dead that he was an ordinary man...and say they accept Christ.
    Bottom line....God knows. Bottom line He will judge.

    I believe the majority of those claiming to be a Christian are Christian in name only. They go to church on Sunday hear a few scriptures, say a quick prayer...leave and never apply the commands that Christ has for His believers. If Christians stood on the Word...gay marriage, abortion would not be up for debate.
     
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  12. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you do not think Christians really are 75% of our population, you feel it is much much less?

    "Religious school grads likelier to have abortions"
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31048153/ns/health-health_care/

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    Oh it isn't just me. :rolleyes:

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    Actual Christians? or CINOs?


     
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    Government force is not the answer for God. It should come from the heart and if it doesn't...it is meaningless. ...it is a dead work.
     
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    Yep, you put it out there more eloquently than I did, kudos.

     
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    Tell that to the people needing help and realizing there is not enough heart out there to get them help. If you want to give to charities, please do so, there are always people in need, but don't end the government assistance simply because you feel it does not met your criteria of from-the-heart. This Nation is far too wealthy to have children and elderly straving and homeless and private charities have never been enough to do the job, been tried, did not work. Christ would want not only us, but also the governemtn that represents us, to do what we can to help his children.
     
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    I think if you asked anyone around the world what kind of a nation America is they would classify us as a Christian one. I am not much for statistics and polls...but if you had to look at them I think they reveal this fact.

    Wiki puts us at 79.5%.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country


    Here is another site that has us at 73% Christian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States

    Most countries that have higher %'s have a state religion..which America does not have.

    Most of these Christians or the majority are Baptists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States


    These statistics are what people claim they are. I know just in my life, the people I know many claim to be Christian and do not follow the scriptures...they don't know the scriptures. They don't think like Christ. Being a Christian is way more than just saying it. It is living your life as God would want you to live, especially standing up against our secular society. Example...this gay marriage issue. God doesn't condone gay marriage...he does not condone sex outside marriage and that goes for heterosexuals. Example...this abortion issue. God would never condone abortion. So a Christian would stand up for God in both despite the slack they would get from the world and those that worship the flesh. God does not change...His Word does not change...with societal rules. A sin is always a sin to God. If you think like Jesus your life would reflect that. George Barna wrote a great book about this called. Think Like Jesus. A believer should be distinguishable in a crowd. He contends that the majority of those who call themselves Christian are in name only...they do not have a Christian Worldview.
     
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    Yet liberals continually want to attack religious organizations who provide more comfort and aid to these people than the govt ever has. Liberals are so irrational and senseless. Govt programs have been in place to help the TRULY needy for many decades and nobody wants to eliminate them. But should we be borrowing money from China to provide low income people with cell phones? Or fund a study to find out why so many Lesbians are obese? (it is in the Senate's most recent budget proposal, look it up), or any of the other many idiotic things the Democrats currently want to spend money on?


     
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    exactly, one can't force someone to believe in a religion, (if one has to, it's probably a bad religion), one can only force someone to pretend to believe
     
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    So you believe in the government FORCING you to do what it thinks is the best for you? Giving should come from the heart. Then why don't the liberals and the Hollywood actors and actresses and people like you do it? If you think it is so important than you take this over. I will give to my charities and help in the ways I have been helping and you supply the government with everything it says we owe it. Not everyone on government assistance needs help. We need to get people off of assistance...and making them a ward of the state is not the way to do it. The way we are set up today....the government wants these people leeching on in dependance...it's the way they can control them. One reason why Obama won. OBAMA MONEY....He will take care of us.....whatever we want and need....he is our man.
     
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    actually the bible says it's better not to marry, but better to marry then burn in passion

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7:8-9&version=NIV

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    8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.
    9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
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    Excessive govt "charity" breeds corruption. The more power we give the govt , in terms of our money, the more they will abuse it. We see this all the time with cronyism placing family members at the helm of the "agency" so they can draw a huge salary or pilfer from the charitable funds. Private charity is definitely preferable.

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    And........????????
    Is there some point trying to be made there?


     
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    I disagree with many things Dems spend money on I also disagree with many things Repubs spend money on, sorry Charlie we do not get to pick and chose what programs our tax money gets spent on, you vote people into office and then hold them accountable, that is how you change it, then you live with the results even if you did not get your way.
     
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    It is better and the answer...but if this were the case then how would the government control the masses...get them to do what they want? This is the case with our public schools. They don't want parents to have choice. If they were that concerned with making things even between the classes...they would allow vouchers and help the inner city kids get out. But our public schools are controlled by the government...the things they want taught. (lets throw out creationism as a possibility-put in secular humanism-teach sexuality especially that goes against what Bible believers believe...and impose penalties if the families don't comply) Our public schools are government brainwashing institutions...that is it. The liberals, the godless humanists want choice when it comes to killing the unborn...but not in education...no choice there.
    And I know many here will say there is choice already. Not really. An inner city parent has a choice...sure he can take his kid and plop them on the steps of a private school....and then what? How do they pay for it? How do they get there everyday? What clothes do they wear? That is not choice...its chains...and the government knows and wants this. Who runs our schools....The Democratic Party, the NEA...union....and any other secular organization (PP) who wants to be a part of the humanistic brainwashing that takes place. NO God...no morals....no right or wrong....can't use red markers to indicate the wrong answers, might make Johnny feel bad and less of a person. Can't play dodgeball...its to violent...but can play football and wrestle.
     
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    There is no way to hold these government elected scum accountable. It seems corruption is across the board on both sides. WE THE PEOPLE......who are they? The people vote on issues that are quickly over- turned by liberal judges put in place spreading their ideologies. We are so corrupt...and we are going down. We will soon be one of those ordinary...nothing special socialist countries.
     

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