Is Abortion Murder?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. dnsmith

    dnsmith New Member

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    Like I said, all of you putting forth pro-abortion points of view have nothing but your immoral position to tout. I feel sorry for you, and as I said once before if you do not reconcile yourself it is your problem. I would hope you had enough sense to make amends.
     
  2. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Define your morals and why they are any better than any other person.

    I also feel sorry for you, sorry for the fact you have to try and live your life according to a set of rules not written for us, in a time that bares no significance to modern times.

    I have a serious question for you - Do you believe that an abortion is acceptable in certain circumstances or in no circumstances?
     
  3. dnsmith

    dnsmith New Member

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    Only if the mother will die AND the baby will die without, and with the mother will live.

    I am secure in my conscience and point of view. It appears you belong the the Culture of Death based on your comments so far.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Opinion cannot be a reason to remove freedoms.....period.
     
  5. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is why the Silent Scream video doesn't show exactly what happened from Time Magazine:

    It is deceptive propaganda that has been debunked many times by many experts.
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    So in this instance you are basically saying that the mothers right to life super-seeds that of the fetus, why is this so?

    If you would bother to read other comments of mine you would see that your assumption of me belonging to a culture of death is incorrect and pretty much absurd.

    Would you care to answer my first question to you - "Define your morals and why they are any better than any other person."
     
  7. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not doing anything to women, I just wonder why so many women cannot somehow control themselves to the point where they have to kill the developing human life inside them. One would think they'd be a bit more careful.
     
  8. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should ask...someone who has had an abortion...how that can happen.
     
  9. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps that question should also be directed to the men who impregnate them as well.

    50% of women who have abortions, had been careful .. they are the ones who did use contraception that failed, perhaps they should sue the contraception manufacturers for the failure of their product.
     
  10. dnsmith

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    I didn't say that. learn to read.
    If you support abortion you are part of the culture of death.
    My morals about abortion are, the baby is a living human who is innocent and to intentionally kill it is immoral.
     
  11. dnsmith

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    That 50% still gambled, not too careful if you think about it. There are two fool proof ways to prevent pregnancy, she holds an aspirin tightly between her knees or abstains intentionally.
     
  12. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    What a bunch of idiotic hyperbole.

    If you support the right for your country and government to go to war (which kills people) are you part of a culture of death? If you support the right for state's to execute their prisoners are you part of a culture of death? If you support the right of any person to kill in certain situations, self-defense, abortion, removal of life support, etc. are you part of a culture of death?

    Also what is wrong with death and why do people seem to have such an incredible fear of it, especially those who are religious and believe they would otherwise be meeting their maker upon death (that's a good thing isn't it)?

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    Those both have a failure rate and that failure rate is due to rape.
     
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    You provide all the same sicko arguments in your feeble attempt to justify killing an innocent baby in the womb of all the other pro-abortion people.

    Attempting to equate the intentional taking of innocent human cannot be justified, by you or anyone else. I don't want it to be illegal for you to choose, I just chalking it up to either your defiance of the sanctity of life or ignorance. Have at it. You do it to yourself, and your guilty conscience shows through your shrillness.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    What exactly is the "sanctity of life" anyways? And what else is included in the "Culture of Death"?

    And seriously, what is with this absolute fear of death and treating it as if it is the worst thing ever, especially if you believe in a life AFTER death? Why is it so bad for living things to die?
     
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    If you don't know by now you never will. What a shame!
    Fear of death? No way! Love for life for all God's innocents. Again, you are incapable of understanding what life is all about; and it isn't permissive sex and abortion as birth control.

    I think the real issue is the absence of spirituality, of love of God, something to be pitied about. Nothing can help you if you can't do it on your own.
     
  16. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    You said "Only if the mother will die AND the baby will die without, and with the mother will live. "
    How is that not saying the mothers right to life super-seeds that of the fetus, under certain circumstances .. unless I have read it wrong.

    Just as you are if you support the death penality and war

    Which is not fully supported by the Chistian bible
     
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    You did!
    I am against both, but there are situations of just war which I'm sure even you recognize.
    Are you one of the ignorant that believe the Bible is the sum total of Judaism or Christianity? Have you never heard of the Holy Spirit who was given to man by Christ to guide his followers in his absence?

    There really is no point in continuing any of this discussion.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Men do have a responsibility however unless they commit the crime of rape there is no way a woman will get pregnant if she refuses his penis into her vagina. Ultimately the woman decides.

    All the more reason for a woman not to 'do the deed' before she has made and has a commitment from the sperm donor. Same goes for the man, he should not plunge his penis into a vagina unless he intends to make and keep a commitment.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd say it depends on HOW they die. A long, purposeful life and then a natural death is one thing, having one's brains scrambled by a sharp instrument BEFORE being born?.......Well that's another now isn't it?
     
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    I don't know. Please explain it to me instead of being vague and acting like it's some big secret you have to figure out for yourself. Perhaps you don't know either and cannot explain it? What is the sanctity of life and what is the culture of death, what is included in this culture of death, is it only in regards to abortion?

    I thought life is what you make it, but I am curious. What is life all about?

    I have plenty of spirituality in my life, I just don't believe in the Christian deity. For all you know I believe in multiple gods or even none at all. For all you know my god(s) permit abortion. Bit of an assumption to go off like if you favor women's right to have an abortion you are somehow godless or without spirituality.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    I suppose so. At least you were willing to answer the question instead of being super vague. Haha! Glad we can count on you RPA1 to get straight to the point.
     
  22. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    So you are saying that men are so weak that even if invited they do not have the will power to say no .. sounds like a blame culture, one that always blames the female.

    so yet agian no blame for the man
     
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    Why do you want to blame men? They are not responsible for the pregnancy...the woman is, it's her body remember. You can't have your cake and eat it too. it's either the womans body or not. She consents to sex...she takes the risk...the responsiblity should be hers alone.

    Right.
     
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    Culture of death...is any society that condones abortion. And countries are made up of people.
     
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    A definition....
    1.
    holiness of life and character : godliness
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    a : the quality or state of being holy or sacred : inviolability
    b plural : sacred objects, obligations, or rights

    Add that to life.....and its one that views life in pure and holy...and respects it.

    This is not the pro-choice crowd. They would be opposite because of their position.

    The position is that life in the womb is not anything to protect or think is remarkable.

    Nothing wrong with death...if its YOUR CHOICE...OR GODS. But you as a pro-abort are making that decision for another life...a life that can't speak for itself. See you don't get this...because for you there is no sanctity of life.
     

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