Is abortion really that bad?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Artythizza, Feb 20, 2011.

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Are you for, or against abortion?

  1. For abortion.

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  2. Against abortion.

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  1. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    No you got it wrong.

    It seems you do not understand the meaning of what you are saying. Please elaborate on the SCOTUS decision. In your opinion was it a biological difference they found or something else? What exactly was the determining factor and in what context?

    Your ignorance of reality is continued here. So that you may learn something, there is no pro-abortion lobby. That is the figment of imagination of ignorant and uneducated people. Just as much as there is no such thing as unborn child. That is just as moronic as calling people undead corpses. It is a fetus and has no significance at all beyond that given to it by the pregnant woman carrying it and making its life possible.

    More drivel. How do you dehumanize a person, not to mention that a fetus is NOT a person it is a fetus.

    Really? How do you explain then that you still have all your freedoms?
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    REad up on slavery.

    Both legally and logically wrong.
     
  3. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    Why not just answer the question if you are capable? Never mind we all know you can't.
     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Well actually anyone who knows the history of slavery in our country knows the answer, so perhaps you should read up.
     
  5. Thisoneguy

    Thisoneguy Banned

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    Are babies really innocent? Is there really any murder? Lets say abortion is ruled as murder, but whats the punishment? Does the person wanting the abortion have good reason? Look at it this way, if someone is threatened by another human being and end up killing the other person out of self defense, they don't get in trouble unless they don't call the police immediately. A person getting an abortion obviously has the event immediately logged into a system, not like she threw herself down the steps at home and just threw the baby out in the trash.

    A person typically getting an abortion has a good reason and the fetus inside of her is a threat to her in some way. I know a girl who was pregnant and failed school high school because they wouldn't let her participate in gym class because she was pregnant, she was also pregnant during the summer and couldn't make up the class in summer school. Had to wait to do a special program for people who failed 12th grade the following semester, causing her to get a late start on college, causing her to lose a scholarship and now she goes to community college.

    This is a threat to a girl as another girl I know in the same situation opted to have abortion, graduated and went to college without having to miss out on a scholarship. Woman don't get abortions just because they hate babies (well not usually, obviously that does happen) they have legit reasons which should be allowed. No someone who gets an abortion because she just hates babies or something and possibly gets a home performed abortion or whatever could have presses charged against her... that's if we looked at abortion as being treated as murder.

    I mean if you want a young woman who has the chance to have a successful like to throw it down the toilet because she may have been raped, condom broke, or something... Maybe you're heartless...
     
  6. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    And how do you know this?

    And how do you know this?

    A great testimony to why women shouldn't take that risk at that stage of their lives.

    Hating babies is not part of the equation. Committing a homicide is what it is.


    Not in the least. That is like saying " if you wanted women in poor households to have a better life you would support her murdering her husband so she can collect the insurance money, or marry a richer man.

    It is just silly.
     
  7. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    Because every pregnancy is a threat to the pregnant woman. Its a well known fact.
     
  8. Whaler17

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    No, it actually isn't. at least not a significant one. If you walk down the sidewalk, there is a threat that a car will veer off the road and hit you, although it is not a significant one. Post the percentages of deaths relating from pregnancy in any developed country.
     
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    Frogger Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If someone goes into the street and starts shooting and kills four or five random people it doesn't actually affect me either but I still care. Abortion does affect me because it affects humanity.
     
  10. Whaler17

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    Correct, as all homicides do.
    Where the abortion promoters FAIL is in their refusal to admit an abortion is ACTUALLY A HOMICIDE.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does abortion negatively affect humanity as a whole? How does abortion affect you as an individual at all when you don't even know about individual abortions?

    You cannot even say that the population should have been higher, since most women who have abortions have children later who wouldn't have been born had the women not had abortions. Abortion does give women control over their lives (even the most reliable birth control does not give that level of certainty), which is, of course, resented by many men who feel entitled to control society. It is also resented by many women who like the patriarchy system. Giving women control over their lives is seen as a negative factor by you and others opposing abortion, while most of us see it as a positive factor.
     
  12. Whaler17

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    Since when has killing people to "gain control" over your life been accectable in our society?
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Abortion has always been acceptable since women have done it since they began to walk upright. It was frowned upon by some segments of society when it was dangerous for women (and the concern was for the woman, not the zef). It was also frowned upon by SOME segments when they wanted to use women as cattle to populate the western states. You see, women who are pregnant know when the zef becomes "people", so they know that a zygote/embryo is not.
     
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    :laughing:

    OBVIOUSLY if this were true there would have never been a need for Roe V Wade. :roll:
     
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    My country is condoning murder as far as I am concerned, whether it is reported or unreported by the purchased media. They can kill the baby up until the point it draws it's first breath outside of the womb.

    This solution solves the governments predicament (which is the USA's current problem), of owning the womens bodies. If they can tell a woman she can only abort by certain trimester, then in fact they own her body. Legal permission doesn't imply ownership, it's legally solid ground if push came to shove.

    Rather than hold that ownership, of which they have no right to do so, the Canadian courts chose that aborting can be done right up to the point of the first drawn breath. Murder, flat out murder.

    Horribly, they went the wrong route, from a pro life perspective. The solution will be found in another direction, as opposed to killing a human who, by either our lack of correct communication awareness of "out of womb" humans, or, the "in womb" humans inability to communicate given it's limited current environment.

    The law should protect those who we so glorify and champion beyond all else in society...the moment they draw breath, but kill on a whim of convienence at any time prior.

    The woman gets pregnant, she has the baby, then give it up for adoption or keep it. Lot's of ramifications to that, but murdering humans isn't the solution to difficult social and womans rights issues.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. It is barbaric and uneccessary in a civilized society, as is abortion.
     
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    That wasn't my point. My point is that even if a crime doesn't affect YOU, it still affects another living being. Which is why abortion is wrong in every field except rape or a threat to the life of the woman. No one needs to kill a developing baby (a FETUS. Not a Zygote, not an Embryo, a FETUS) just because they want to spare themselves the bother.
     
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    Umm I am pro life... Sorry for the misunderstanding.
     
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    There was a need because backwards people, including judges wanted to control the lives of women and they had to put a stop to it.
     
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    I can take measures to avoid being hit by a car. I can't get away from a fetus, can I?
     
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    Just like not driving a car. You can avoid having sex.
     
  22. Makedde

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    And that is unrealistic, to expect someone who doesn't want kids to remain abstinent their whole lives.
     
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    I would call your example of never driving or riding in a car less realistic.
     
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    Both are unrealistic and no one is going to remain abstinent their entire lives just because some Bible bashers are worried about a blob of tissue being removed. It ain't gonna happen.
     
  25. prometeus

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    Please explain why it is OK in that case.
     

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