Is Atheism a logical belief?

Now THAT is what I call an intelligent post. I will warn the magic pixies under my fridge!

What is the purpose of the Universe?

 

I am DEVASTATED that an ANCIENT GREEK philosopher WITHOUT access to the modern Scientific Method believed in SUPERSTITIONS.

 

As much as it is ok to seek out God deniers and berate and ridicule them incessantly. Do you think that will change their minds?

It doesn't for the vast majority of them, just like a person voicing their disbelief in a God (or more accurately a belief that no God(s) exists) enrages theists to a point of hysteria. The reality is that both sides have those "evangelical" types who are more willing to shove their beliefs down the throats of others than live and let live. And sometimes the rest of us have been hit by them enough that we knee jerk in reaction to even a hint of their actions.

 

I've no idea. Why do you assume it even has one?

 

Well... think about it for a few days when you have time. I would like to hear your thoughts.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!

Nothing more AMUSING that CREATIONISTS trying to HIJACK Stephen Hawking for the "benefit" of their SUPERSTITIOUS beliefs.

Priceless!



https://www.livescience.com/63854-stephen-hawking-says-no-god.html

FACTS matter!

 

Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING those offensive THEIST behaviors onto Atheists.

 

I've had decades to think about it, and plenty of better people than me have spent much, much longer thinking about it. The fact remains that we don't and have no way of knowing. No amount of "thinking about it" is going to come up with any new information.

If you're sealed inside a box, you're not going to be able to know what colour the outside of the box is. Also, if you're sealed inside a box, knowing what colour the outside is shouldn't be high up on your list of priorities anyway. I'm not sure guessing what the purpose of the universe might be has a lot of value beyond entertainment value (and I'm getting enough entertainment laughing at the trolls your thread attracted ).

 

WHAT is the purpose of a grain of sand?

WHY does a grain of sand REQUIRE a "purpose"?

If YOU cannot even provide the "purpose" for a grain of sand then there is ZERO justification for DEMANDING that the Universe MUST have a "purpose".

Just because something EXISTS does NOT require that it MUST have a "purpose".

 

Hahahahaha I am looking forward to more dialogue with you!

One of my math professors back in the day said that philosophy is just an excuse for bullshit!

Those trolls are on ignore.

 

Hawking doesn't speak for atheism or atheists. He was just one, pretty brilliant, man.

Hawking was also theorizing. He never claimed to know. He admitted there was no way to know for sure. At least not yet. He had a theory. That's all.

Did you read the post you quoted from me? What was my number one point?

Now, who is it again who claims to know? Oh right, its the creationists. It would be nice if they could admit that they are just as ignorant about this, as the people they spend their days insulting and degrating simply because they don't believe what the creationists do. Don't you think?

 

Sure, that's as good as any unsupported theory. I think we should just admit we don't know, and leave it at that. There is no need to invent Gods and say they did it just to make ourselves feel like we know what we obviously don't.

 

Hold on now. Who started this thread again? What is the title of the thread? Who here set out to berate and ridicule who? Did you think your thread would change the minds of atheists? I do not understand why when a person doesn't accept theist beliefs, it enrages theists to the point of hysteria, or to the point of falsely stating they will leave the thread they themselves start and then write this:

Are you a stupid person, The Last American? Should we argue with you?

If you are going to throw stones, don't complain if you get hit. My initial response to you was nothing but polite, but now I feel the need to mirror your toxicity back at you, and that's your own doing. Be the change you seek. You reap what you sow. Or something like that.

 

To me it just seem irrational to get so upset over what someone else, believes. If there is no way they are going to change your mind, there is no way you are going to change theirs. "Inventing Gods" is insulting their belief, because you disagree with it.

 

God is the Alpha and Omega. Eternity has no beginning and no end...its eternal. Human being can't grasp that concept...because frankly we are not God. We are bound to the constraints of a beginning and an end. But one asks...ok what was before the beginning? What happens after the end?

In short God has always been and always will be. There is no "cause" in the equation.

 

So why do creationists get so upset at the mere existence of atheists? Why were atheists killed for hundreds of years simply for not believing? Why are they still reacted to with venom by creationists today?

I agree with you completely that it is irrational to get upset over what someone else believes. Note that my first response to you was not at all upset. It was trying to explain something to you. And note how you reacted by saying you'd leave the thread and then saying you don't argue with stupid people. That was you, not any atheist.

No it isn't. No more than you saying atheists are blind to the spiritual. It is honestly how we see each other. You see me as blind to something you think is so. I see you as believing something that is false. There is no more polite way to say either.

I see your God belief as a delusion. I see it as similar to people who believe in UFO visitations from outer space or big foot. People believing in such things doesn't make me angry. Not unless they act on those beliefs in ways that harm myself or others.

Does it upset you that I view your belief as groundless, and as a delusion on par with those who believe in UFO visitations or bigfoot? Does it upset you that this is what I believe? If so, then....

 

Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING your own issues onto ALL of humanity.

Speaking for MYSELF I have no problem at all grasping the concept of ENTERNITY.

Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed therefore the Universe has ALWAYS existed in the PAST and WILL always exist in the FUTURE in some form or other.

Just because WE are observing the CURRENT state of the Universe does NOT mean it was always this way or that it will always remain this way.

There does NOT need to be EITHER a "beginning" OR an "end" to the Universe.

That is just a theist SUPERSTITION!

I for one am NOT bound by those theist SUPERSTITIONS and I doubt that I am alone. Professor Roger Penrose, a colleague of Hawking and a genius in his own right, is a PROPONENT of the CONCEPT of a CYCLICAL Universe that goes through periods of EXPANSION and CONTRACTION. We are currently in an expansion phase of the Universe.

 

Ok, so I'm only responding to your question of what "caused" God. Since you understand the concept of eternity I imagine you already have your answer.

 

Ha ha....religious threads make the political ones look positively benign!

 

I didn't ask that question!

I asked WHY the IMAGINARY deity of THEISTS is NOT held to the SAME "first cause" standard that they ERRONEOUSLY require of everything else.

Given an ETERNAL Universe there is ZERO requirement for an IMAGINARY "creator".

 

I’m sorry I’m not as smart as you. Would you be so kind as to share your education with one as lowly and meek as me?

 

I have never said any such thing. Frankly, what you believe could not mean less to me.

 

Have you ever heard of Google?

Aren't you the person that stated that Aristotle disagrees with me, with no reference whatsoever to what you are talking about?

 

Sadly this is still not facts. It's still all theory. Does/did that singularity have an infinite event horizon? Somehow I doubt that. So what was beyond that event horizon, and would not time exist there?

 

Actually, I thought of this as more of a philosophical question for the atheists.