Is homosexuality "normal"?

Can I force a gay baker to make me a cake that says marriage is between a man and a woman if he refuses?

 

Like being against practicing Judaism.





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no, you can't force a Christian baker to say Christians suck either

you can request them make the same wedding cakes they sell to everyone else.... nothing more

you can't call a hamburger a gay burger just cause a gay person buys it....

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Correct - i'll give that an atheist who is against religion still isn't the same as an atheist who hates religious people as individuals

 

Like someone who is against all sex, can say he doesn't have a problem with homosexuals. *shrug*

The guy who isn't against religious practices, but is against Jewish ones... he's going to have a harder time making a case of not being anti-Semitic.

... and yea, hating an individual person (gay, Jewish or otherwise) is different. That's a value judgement of the individual, not the stereotype.



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Sure tou can...you can even make a christian cater your gay event.

 

No. You can make a business cater a gay event if event catering is what they do. Who owns the business is immaterial.

 

In terms of biology and evolution, homosexuality in a heterosexual species is abnormal and when nature is left to its own devices (evolution, survival of the fittest) those abnormalities are quickly eliminated or the species goes extinct (obviously).

The only reason humans can be accepting of some abnormality is due to the human intellect and the high quality of life, and the low impact of accepting some types of abnormality. When the cost of acceptance gets too high then humans will reject the abnormality.

 

yeah caterers cant be christians? Can I make a muslim chef make me a pork dinner?

 

I can accept that. Even so, I'm just saying that some people have made up their minds (for whatever logic they apply) that homosexuality and homosexuals are unacceptable. I'm not about trying to convince them otherwise, as much as I used to be.

 

Does the Muslim Chef EVER make pork dinners for anyone? Is he in the business of making pork dinners?

Your analogy is a fail.

 

I doubt it. *shrug*

There is a difference between refusing to make pork dinners and refusing to sell pork dinners to someone who is gay.




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Wrong he cooks food for people. Why would he be allowed to discriminate me? I want pork.

 

can I make a gay caterer cater my anti gay event?

 

I doubt that they are being 'turned'. I do think that sexual orientation is more complex than "a" gene or looking at some simple set of circumstances. If it were as simple as being "turned", a LOT of gay kids (especially in the past) would have sought every measure in the book to be 'turned' STRAIGHT.

The solution, considering what we know being homosexual is (in the sense that it is not detrimental in/of itself)... is to accept that some people are are oriented in that way. It's no disease and it does not need to be fixed; certainly, it shouldn't be repressed. Denial/repression has led to a lot of people being VERY unhealthy over the years.

 

I think i stopped caring about acceptance when i accepted myself.

 

*shrug* Dunno. You have a lot of anti-gay events?




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Glad you were able to accept who you are. The happiest folks have already done that. I accept that you have sexual leanings probably almost opposite of mine (heterosexual).

Now that you are completely in acceptance of your own sexuality, can you accept that you need heterosexual sex in order to survive? Why not honor heterosexual marriage instead of trying to change it? These folks are going to spend their bodies, time, energy on birthing and caring for future homosexuals. Shouldn't we all (homosexuals, single heteros, etc.) all promote marriage as being between a man and woman? It is only them that can create new human beings.

 

Abstinence won't kill you.




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A good way to view things. Makes sense.

I'd say that most every educated gay person, knows about human reproduction. It isn't hard for them to accept that how babies are made isn't wrong, bad or something they would ever protest or put down. After all, every one of us alive, are the product of human reproduction.

Even IF (and I doubt that is anytime soon) there was a population crisis, it's not that homosexuals COULD NOT reproduce. A heterosexual ACT leading to conception (or fertilization via medical procedure) is all that would take. That is to say, gay people and gay sex aren't at all likely to put the overall population of this planet into jeopardy, especially considering he ratios of mostly-heterosexual, bi-sexual and homosexual people to one another.

I'm gay, and I know that I could lay with a woman and reach a climax. But I also know from experience that is not the gender I'm inclined to pursue romantically/emotionally. And to me, the male body appeals to me 'naturally'; I don't have to perform any mental gymnastics to be turned-on by the male form. By the same token, I've been around females and touched them in sensual ways as well... and can remain as limp as a cooked noodle of spaghetti. I have been that way since I was about 13 years old... AND sought for decades to CHANGE that. I never 'wanted' to be homosexual, but I surely was/am. And I'm sure I'm no rare exception in reality.

Here is what I have experience AND observed:

People don't choose their sexual-orientation.
Homosexual people cannot CHOOSE to be heterosexual. And many do try to be the same. (Role playing, is about the best they can do.)
Heterosexual people (especially Baby Boomers and before) have a difficult time understanding and accepting that homosexuality is common and normal (in general). I think the latter generations are better educated and more understanding about human sexuality overall.

The only people who can "change" a marriage, are the two people in a given marriage. How can someone or some homosexual couple 'change' anyone's 'heterosexual' marriage? I don't understand what you're getting at there.

I see no problem whatsoever, in 'honoring' and 'appreciating' the people I know/love and others who are in heterosexual marriages.

Of course. And GAY people also have children via heterosexual relations (acts) and otherwise. I know more than a few people even close friends who are homosexual and have raised or are raising fine, well adjusted children. So, make no mistake about it... gay couples and individuals produce children AND nurture them as carefully as other heterosexual human beings do.

I don't see any need to "promote" human sexuality or marriage per se; people ARE going to fall in love and decide to dedicate themselves to one another's lives from here on out. Not only that... but let's be honest and take note of people who really shouldn't be getting married and having children. Marriage and making babies is no game; it's serious business.

 

or like a theist that hates organized religion, we recently saw one of those too

 

Nobody needs sex to survive.

Not the least bit interested in changing that.

Anybody can mate with the opposite sex and procreate, marriage isn't relevant to it.

 

Humans are natural thus homosexuality is natural. If this is the part where you say that the anus was not made to accommodate a penis then I counter by saying neither was a woman's mouth yet lots of people love oral sex.

Normal is often a relative term as it is normal for me to be 6'4" but this does not make it normal for all others.

Yet support for the LGBT community has grown exponentially in my lifetime.

 

False, the human race needs heterosexual sex and the subsequent procreation in order to replace lost individuals in order to survive as a species.

It's relevant to making a legal commitment to be responsible for the outcome of heterosexual sex and to be a family and raise children to do the same. Oh yeah, you want irresponsible rutting so that the offspring can be 'trained' to be homosexual. I think I got it now.

 

Nothing you said had anything to do with the species. You said the following.

To wit I responded no, I've lived without it for many years, apparently people can survive without it.

Than you said this.

I never said anything about removing or changing heterosexual marriage. I said nothing about it at all.


So the following hyperbolic statement seems gratuitous and immature.

But it's relevant to nothing in this discussing

All the "irresponsible rutting" that is making these offspring is 100% a heterosexual problem, and again had absolutely no relevance to the topic we are discussing.