Is Owning A Slave Really That Bad?

So the solution is to scrap the whole deal in favor of open tyranny, rather than make it more consistent?? Are you being serious here or are you just being deliberately provocative for purposes of satire or devil's advocacy?

 

What Makkede described is a muslim wife. She should be very happy in her servitude.

 

If I was describing a Muslim wife, wouldn't you expect some beatings and lashings, even an execution? Or are you admitting that Muslim women live lives just the same as ours?

 

No .....thats not was said ............explain yourself Mac.............

 

All of my slaves are very happy. The ones that I offer freedom to usually return to the compound within a week. Either I'm doing something right, or the harsh reality of self reliance is just too much for them.

 

The problem lies in the ownership of a person. I don't see owning a person being morally decent regardless of how well they are treated. Plenty of slaves throughout history lived life plusher than lots of free men. It didn't stop them from being property. Something they had no control over.

Serfs on the other hand. They voluntarily sell themselves. I would find no fault if the two parties reached a mutual agreement.

 

if one side has virtually all the bargaining power and the other (the serf) has virtually none, you have a situation approaching but not quite reaching slavery. I will point out that in the rare cases where the serf doesn't want to make the 'mutual' agreement, bad things historically tend to happen to the serf (usually outside the law that is never enforced in such cases). Just look at the history of much of Central America for a concrete example of this phenomena.

The only good slave-owner is a dead one (preferably a slow and agonising death for good measure). Owning another person is about the worst thing you can do in your life and whatever bad karma accrues to you as a result you more than deserve. Instead of wasting our time in Libya we'd be better off going to northern Sudan or certain towns in the Balkans and killing every adult male we suspect of being involved in slavery as a lesson to others of their kind.

 

Unfortunately, the socialists in this group want to enslave us all.

Check this out.

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State."

-- Margaret Thatcher

Socialism is great if you are willing to accept a much reduced standard of living and an oppressive central government who is always telling you what to do and how to live your life to the benefit of the state!

Cuba, North Korea and the old Soviet Union are three perfect examples!

 

Well if you are in a place where your chances of advancement are pretty much nonexistent, then selling yourself for a predetermined amount of time might not be such a bad idea so long as the soon-to-be serf agrees the reward is worth the duties.

Abuses are certainly something to take into consideration. A government that will enforce contracts would be very preferable. Assaulting a serf would deem the duties non-void and earn full compensation for the serf. Among other things, that would be the terms I would choose if I ever considered the idea.

 

You could really take away a person's freedom? would you enjoy your life as such a slave? I know I wouldn't....

 

You are correct, Message to Garcia.

The people in this group who often complain about capitalism exploiting the "workers" should go out and start their own business and work for themselves.

"It is better to light one candle that to curse the darkness."

By the way, if these people had stayed in school and applied themselves, they would be capable of starting their own businesses. Most people in this forum who complain about "capitalism" have marginal skills and are almost unemployable.

James Cessna

 

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what a sick view of slavery the OP is presenting. The spoiled westerner that knows NOTHING about being in need.

 

to advocate humans being turned into commodoties is beyond the pale and shameful

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I think its bad.. because there is NO way for them to ever save their wages and leave.

 

unless it is consensual it is bad, it is what capitalism boils down to free labor for profits.

 

Uh... as soon as you remove free will from the equation, that's pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.

 

Your video in no way represents what the OP was questioning. It simply represents the exploitation of slavery when forced to a black market and/or no government regulation.

 

I met an exchange student from China not too long ago. I asked if he preferred America over China. He said he loved his country, but the wages are menial across the board. In America you are rewarded for merits. In China, you are simply doing the right thing and that's about it.

To say a person that took what it takes to graduate school and get an education should be forced to work for the same wages as the person his/her parents told him he would be if he/she didn't study and do good is pretty much saying there is no need to better yourself. The government will do it for you.

 

Thank you, and I agree. Near all of my friends work for themselves. Most are college educated, but the ones that aren't at least learned a trade and learned how to capitalize on it. Typically my friends that grew up with hardship and a lack of resources (even if their parents were wealthy) have grown up to be successful people by most people's standards.

I can assure you, the more money you make, the harder you work more than likely. Even if you're at corporate headquarters. Do the complainers have a boss they are scared to death of that makes them work 80-90 hour work weeks including business dinners and parties (They aren't like what Hollywood likes to portray) after the day is done? Do they have to portray a 24 hour image of professionalism?

 

That is why I literaly cried when I saw what savages in Libya did what they did to Gadhaffi, who provided his people with simple basic needs.
I do not see any problem with what you described, as long as you are not forcing them, however here is what I do have a problem with: when countries invade other countries and destroy nations, hence making people of those countries desperate and therefor others being able to get slaves in such a way.

 

Simple basic needs? All the oil producers do that AND develop infrastructure.

Khadafi did the absolute minimum.. Khadfi was neither noble nor benevolent.

 

Gaddafi had plenty of evil aspects as well. Save your compassion for someone more worthwhile.

 

Semantics.
They are not slaves and you do not own them.
They are still trading time(services) for pay(the benefits you provide) and are free to terminate the arrangement at any time.

Very poor reasoning.

Slavery is, was and shall always be morally wrong.
You cannot own another human being, humans are not property.

You can oppress and yes enslave, but you cannot own another human being without their consent, and then that is now ownership.

 

Did you cry when he gave a heroes' welcome to the Lockerbie bomber he created that killed near 300 people? Most of which were college students btw.

 

Too bad CNN has exactly ZERO credebility with me in such matters. weather maybe I can trust them on.