Is Papandreou Right to Let the Greeks Decide?!

Euro Referendum: Papandreou Is Right to Let the Greeks Decide

A Commentary By Sven Böll

As I said before, and as our current PM Yves Leterme is saying, there are others to consider.

Call me an elitist, but I feel there needs to be a referendum -- it's too dangerous. Greece is playing Russian roulette with 300 million people...

 

Yes, let the greeks sit down and weigh their options.

 

I bet Sarkozy and Cameron are mad about this act of democracy. Wonder if they'll do a Hitler and occupy Greece??

 

Yeah cos' thats on the cards you know.

 

Good to see a government consults its people. And happy it is led by a socialist. Won't fault Greece for its democratic ways.

 

Greeks will vote for any option that relieves them from paying taxes they refuse to pay in the first place.

 

There goes the neighborhood!

But yes...the people should vote.

 

What if, the French and German people vote to make the Greeks pay their debts?

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Is Papandreou Right to Let the Greeks Decide?!

Sure he is.

But I incredibly highly doubt he is it doing it for the good of most Greeks.

 

Y'all are lamer than lame.

Where's my's right to vote.

This EU referenda only work when they are held on a trans-border scale.

Now, it could be compared to hold a referendum on a piece of legislation that effects an entire city just in one street.

The Greeks are now threathening to, as we say in Dutch, "te veroordelen tot de bedelstaf" or "condemning to the beggar staff".

This is UNACCEPTABLE!

 

Well that's mature.

I don't know if Belgium has a constitution or under what mechanisms a referenda would be called in Belgium but I would assume that it would require assent of parliament. Get on to your MP.

No this isn't an EU issue this is a greek issue should they continue to seek bailouts, which require masssive cuts and reforms. Or should they default and face much sharper adjustments in the short term.

No it really couldn't your street is not sovereign. Greece for all it's flaws is.

I don't think the implications of your dutch staying fully translate to english

Pipe down.

 

If it goes to the people, Greece will fail, then will Italy, Spain and the rest of the PIIGS, followed by France and Germany.

Say goodbye to the Euro.

 

If he wants the people to vote for it, they should have to write a one page essay before they vote to show they have a clue about what they are voting on. This is not legislation that is easily understood by most people, nor do most of them even begin to understand the consequences of voting it down.

 

I think that you are probably right.

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..and why shouldn't it go to the people?

They are all so hopped up on Socialist Democracy let them Democratize themselves back into the 3rd world East European Status they belong and if all of Europe follows well so be it.

The Germans will be okay, hell they had to deal with reunification.. but everyone else in Europe is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. Bernanke, Geithner and Obama if they were worth a (*)(*)(*)(*) would be shielding our economy against the collapse but nooooooo..we borrow from the Chinese to middleman to the Euros that we the American Taxpayer will be stuck paying the interest on.

It's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) being chained to all these weak socialist economies. I kinda wish they'd collapse already and get it over with. My job is rock solid safe due to its nature. I'm not going anywhere and my position can only improve with time and hard work. The rest of the world is on its own.

 

So it should be left in the hands of politicians and bureaucrats who thought a single currency and one interest rate covering 17 countries with different economic polices and countries which never met the entry criteria in the first place would actually work?

 

Let me firstly point out for the sake of full disclosure: this doesn't happen a lot, but I'm truely pissed of and utterly disgusted by the action the Papandreou.

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Sorry, but that's the truth.

Y'all are portraying this planned referendum is a high feast for democracy. It simply isn't.

Uhm, Belgium and Belgians don't need a lesson in democracy -- we Dutch-speaking folks basically invented what is nowadays understood as democratic values. And certainly not from an Irish citizen, y'all were shooting and bombing each other only a few decades ago...

The Belgian Constitution only allows referenda on the local level on local issues, e.g. (1) you want a bridge or a tunnel, (2) you want this or that design of the local library, etc...

Besides, the biggest referendum, and the one that truely matters, is a general democratic election. That is the true and actual high feast of democray -- and Belgium, along with a very small group of countries, don't have the right the vote, but the duty to vote. We get prosecuted and fined when we don't show up at the voting booth.

Entirely false.

This is not a Greek issue, it's an European issue with a Greek aspect. There also is a German aspect, an Irish aspect, a French aspect. At it's core this is an European issue, and you very well know this...

The only ones getting a vote in this are the Greeks, and in the process they are riding over the economic and social interest, well-being and welfare of 300 millions of other European citizens.

And the story doesn't end there either -- if the Greeks go ballistic it's over and out for the USA too: recession all over the place.

Greeks, in essence, for a matter of two to three months, are the most powerful cititizenry in the entire world. They will decide on the economic faith of entire humanity...

 

Yep. One would've thought Greece would have learned from history. Guess not.

 

We'll that's melodramatic and untrue. Humanity will be fine don't worry your pretty head about it. their are seven billion of us now, a recession won't destroy us. It happens every now and then. Chill.

 

Dear Members of the Political forum
As a greek i want to inform the people that

1) Greek people are against this, most of us consider the act of out prime minister crazy and many of us believe that his is acting as an american agent for the collapse of the eurozone.

2) Pasok and his Prime minister holds only 14% of greek population according to the last polls

3) As i know my people their frustration and their pressure will lead them to vote "NO" on everything not based on their logic but on their emotional pressure

4) I believe that the goverment this friday will collapse as already 15 people of the governing party said that they do not agree with this action so propably we will not have a goverment of Pasok anymore after friday (parliament will vote for "believing in goverments work".

5) as for the beggars.... some people say, dont push us because being beggars does not mean that we have to labandon our integrity and self - respect

 

I am not saying it should or shouldn't just the results of it did. No Greek is gonna want to lose 50% of their social net.

 

WTF? Dude that is so completely ignorant.

When are all you Euro turds going to stop using the USA as a scapegoat.\

You don't have the tax base capable of supporting the promises your government made to you. Some things are just impossible to fix. Stop being dense and blaming everyone else for the fact that your country is incapable of and cannot afford to be a social democracy.

 

1)I am not going to take lessons of democracy from a country that votes only the 20% of people and respect its procedures.
2)I am saying what people believe fortunately or unfortunately here and when they speak about this they do not believe that is an agent of you or other common american people but of the financial interests.. and no matter what you say they would prefer a dead euro.

 

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It's well-known that an USA-UK-axis (Wall Street-The City-axis) is after EU's and Euro's skin. We are an economical, polticial and ideological competitor and threat to y'all.

Hence, we see outrageous posts by the hand of you and others (The Don, etc.) that this is a crisis of "social-democracy".

 

Well I wasn't too far wrong about Sarkozy and Cameron doing a Hitler - they removed him from office a day later and called the referendum off. Like 1944 in Italy the banking Nazis sticking their noses in again.