Is President Obama becoming a dictator?

Discussion in 'United States' started by pjohns, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. pjohns

    pjohns Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,916
    Likes Received:
    658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Dick Morris believes that President Obama is making himself into a dictator, to the greatest extent that he possibly can. If so, this is more than a mere "imperial presidency." Much more.

    Here is a little from a recent article by Morris:

    "With two presidential signatures- one on New Year's Day and the other issued last week - President Barack Obama has assumed the right to assert dictatorial powers over almost all aspects of the U.S. economy and to hold American citizens indefinitely without trial!

    "(This is not some 'Space Aliens Invade' story. It is really happening).

    "On New Year's Day, Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to fund the Pentagon. But smuggled into its language is an explicit authority 'allowing him to indefinitely detain [US] citizens' according to Jonathan Turley writing in the U.K. Guardian newspaper.

    "While the story was buried in the American media, Turley notes that it is 'one of the greatest rollbacks of civil liberties' in American history."

    And here is a link to the entire article: http://sz0174.ev.mail.comcast.net/z...c=81659&st=message&id=83500&xim=1&action=view

    Comments?
     
    Trinnity and (deleted member) like this.
  2. raymondo

    raymondo Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2011
    Messages:
    4,296
    Likes Received:
    115
    Trophy Points:
    63
    And very sensible . Predicted a long time ago and evidenced all over the place .
    The chances of a total melt down remain very high , and , to experts , the sub text of Mad Ben's speech today brings matters closer --- QE3 etc
    When the country melts and there is rioting , such measures will be necessary
    If you choose to see it as one man trying to take over the country , I think you are deranged .
    But such dangerous tom foolery thinking fits the pathetic two party system that your country exhibits to a privately embarrassed world .
     
  3. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    When Republicans ended habeas corpus and gave Bush dictatorial powers that was deemed perfectly OK.
     
  4. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We have been in a quazi dictatorship for decades.

    China has more economic freedom than we do in many ways. Jim Rogers echoed this claim not to long ago because it is a fact. They have more social freedom as well.

    The main restriction in China is (do not talk bad about the Government).

    Here we can talk bad about the Goverment all we want but live in a nanny state.
     
  5. General Fear

    General Fear New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2011
    Messages:
    665
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Not only is the above true, when Obama signed Obamacare, someone in the Democratic party put into the legislation a clause that lets Obama create an army that is loyal to him alone. This is similar to what all dictators have had in the past.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF5s_AeoP-4"]TREASON Obamas Private Army - YouTube[/ame]
     
  6. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes he's becoming a dictator -- if dictators have to be re-elected every four years, get their legislation passed by Congress, have their favorite bills questioned and possibly overturned by the Supreme Court, and otherwise operates within the legal strictures of his office.

    :confuse:
     
  7. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    29,311
    Likes Received:
    4,187
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You're preaching to the converted.
     
  8. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2004
    Messages:
    38,841
    Likes Received:
    2,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah, the complete absence of the rule of law can certainly look like freedom. Until you're one of the little people whose land is seized and given to well-connected developers.

    Or you have to deal with the poisoned air, earth and water brought on by the near-complete lack of environmental regulations and the rapid building of the dirtiest coal-fired power plants, and have no legal recourse to address it.

    Debatable. What social freedoms are we lacking that they have?
     
  9. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Point taken. At the same time we see the rule of law deteriorating in this country.

    The Constitution warped beyond recognition by the Religious right and Left utilitarianist buffoons.

    China probably was not the best example of "social freedom's". You can however drink a beer while you walk down the street which is cool and drink when you are old enough to be in the army.

    In terms of most "civilized countries" Pot and Prostitution are two of the freedoms that the government has no business criminalizing. Rules on how long a bar can stay open ... on whether or not a stripper can get naked .. and so on .. the general nanny statisms.
     
  10. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ... waiting for proof that Obama wants to be a dictator ...
     
  11. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    30,682
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yeah- that kind of dictator.....
     
  12. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ... waiting for proof that Obama wants to be a dictator ...


    ... and waiting .....
     
  13. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There is none .. only ignorant wingnuts would make such a claim.
     
  14. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You get no argument from me. But what is interesting is how many times I have posted the same thing on so many different threads: right wingers make up claims but never back up anything with proof.

    Such is this forum ...
     
  15. General Fear

    General Fear New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2011
    Messages:
    665
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Left wingers make up more things that the right.

    Case in point, "George Bush blew up the World Trade Center on 9/11."

    Where's the proof?
     
  16. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Most on the Left do not believe this. And there are some conservatives who believe this.

    Your statement contains a logical fallacy (generalization of traits of one to a whole group) and "false premise" - you have presented no evidence that it is the Left that made up the story. .
     
  17. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Alex Jones and Jesse the Body Ventura are the two biggest proponents of that idea. Both are RIGHT wingers.
     
  18. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    ... par for the course among right wingers on this forum



    STILL WAITING FOR PROOF FROM THE OP THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS BECOMING A DICTATOR
     
  19. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    30,682
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't remember 'left wingers' making up that claim- I do remember that Conspiracy theory nuts did.

    Were they left wing Conspiracy nuts? I don't think so- many of them also are Birthers.

    When it comes to pure idiocy, neither the left or the right has any monopoly.
     
  20. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    100% and to add .. it seems those racing to idiocy are in ever increasing numbers.
     
  21. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Only Andrew Jackson has ever defied the US Supreme Court.. He told them to protect the Cherokee Nation themselves and told Georgia to light a fire under the Indians and force them to leave.
     
  22. SiliconMagician

    SiliconMagician Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2010
    Messages:
    18,921
    Likes Received:
    446
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Umm.. Local and State Governments are perfectly allowed under our Constitution to engage in Nanny Statism. The Federal Government does not regulate strippers or bar closing times.

    Why don't you go take this up with your local city council or State representative instead of whining about something that is completely and totally permissible under the Constitution.

    State and Local Governments can be downright tyrannical by libertarian standards under our Constitution. If you don't like it, move to a "freer" State.
     
  23. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,064
    Likes Received:
    13,586
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is true that "The Constitution" only applies to Federal Powers however,

    most States have adopted the Bill of Right's into their own Constitutions.
     
  24. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2012
    Messages:
    33,372
    Likes Received:
    36,882
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Amendments 13-15 apply the Constitution to all states.
     
  25. Trinnity

    Trinnity Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    10,645
    Likes Received:
    1,138
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Obama is a bully. AND he has dictator tendencies, imo.
     
    Thunderlips and (deleted member) like this.

Share This Page