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Is Roe v. Wade at Risk???

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by MiaBleu, May 18, 2021.

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    But the federal government should? Aren't basic human rights inherent?
     
    Bluesguy, Jun 25, 2021
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    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    I do.
     
    Cybred, Jun 25, 2021
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  3. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    Nope.
     
    Cybred, Jun 25, 2021
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  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you are pro-abortion, why hide behind the pro-choice moniker?
     
    Bluesguy, Jun 25, 2021
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  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you disagree with this statement

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    That only government can grant rights?
     
    Bluesguy, Jun 25, 2021
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The argument "Republicans would stop voting if Abortion rights were over turned" is like saying "Progressives would stop voting if Universal Healthcare was enacted" neither makes sense, if a party acheives a political goal of mine I will keep voting for them to prevent the other from removing it. The Judges aren't going to look at it like that. I bet turnout would be higher for both sides if Roe was overturned because it would turn into a "Pro life vs pro choice referendum"

    So yes it's at risk I predict a weakening by 5-4
     
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    Sackeshi, Jun 25, 2021
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  7. LangleyMan

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    Huh? Pro-lifers work all angles--some are trying to pass federal legislation while others work on state laws.
     
    LangleyMan, Jun 25, 2021
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    Of course not. What's your point?
     
    LangleyMan, Jun 25, 2021
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    FoxHastings said: ↑
    WHY?
    All Americans in the UNITED States should have the same basic human rights....
    I NEVER said abortion was a human right.....



    Uggaduhhhh, I was responding to another poster who thought individual states should determine basic human rights....

    Instead of constantly asking inane questions why not just try reading and keeping up?



    Maybe they are and maybe they aren't ( I don't care)...but the the UNITED States government's job is to uphold them for EVERYONE who is a citizen of this COUNTRY..
     
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    FoxHastings, Jun 25, 2021
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  10. Bluesguy

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    I think our founding document is quite clear no maybe's about it and people who are not citizens here have rights. Do you believe our rights are granted by the government?
     
    Bluesguy, Jun 25, 2021
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    I GAVE you my answer...don't like it? Tough...

    FoxHastings said: ↑
    Maybe they are and maybe they aren't ( I don't care)...but the the UNITED States government's job is to uphold them for EVERYONE who is a citizen of this COUNTRY......and there was no "maybe" in the bolded......and THAT is my POINT....and YOU have NO point.
     
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    FoxHastings, Jun 25, 2021
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    Because I'm not pro-abortion I'm pro-choice.
     
    Cybred, Jun 26, 2021
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    Rights are a construct of society.
     
    Cybred, Jun 26, 2021
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    You're saying that Departments of Health do not regulate?
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    And in terms of federal, all that you have managed to come up with is one Republican proposing that federal funds for abortion be removed,
    something which Joe Biden was in favour of up until about 5 seconds ago. You originally claimed that Republicans are proposing federal LEGISLATION!
     
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    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    WHO is?
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    I'm glad that you admit that you're not capable of a response to my inconvenient questions! :roflol:

    Here they are again if you decide that you're able to answer:

    The alternative caretaker for the fetus is not another female, it's a MACHINE at a certain point after viability! So how is a baby distinguished from a post-viability fetus if they both have alternative caretakers?

    Don't you distinguish human being and person?
     
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    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    It gives the right to choose an abortion. Simple!
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    Well, I asked:
    And you clearly agreed, saying:

    Personhood is the state of being a person. I haven't done enough thinking regarding the "ZE" part, but I believe that the FETUS is a person because they have a heartbeat and have their own unique DNA.

    Morals are standards by which we live our lives. Elective abortion is immoral according to my moral standards because it selfishly destroys a human life and kills a person if it's at the fetus stage.

    Okay, so CLEARLY you're not disputing the FACT that women would have the choice to seek for an illegal abortion in their state, or a legal or illegal abortion in another state or country.

    I already told you - "rights which pre-exist government." What you really asked was:
    To which I answered:
    To which you replied:
     
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    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    If you're correct, then why does Roe v Wade have nothing to say about bodily autonomy?

    The topic of the thread is Roe v Wade which is about abortion. We're talking about abortion. You seem confused.
     
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    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    Interesting word! :roflol:
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    So if the government made murder legal, you would no longer have the right to live! :roflol:
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    Removing funding from private companies is NOT legislation! It's simply returning to a default.
     
    chris155au, Jun 26, 2021
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    Well if you say so.
     
    Cybred, Jun 26, 2021
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