Is Russia about to push toward Kiev?

They voted after he was gone. They drove off his own people from the parliament until they could get the majority and only once he was gone and there was no longer any reason to vote for him anymore, they have their "vote".. It's NOT the procedure the constitution says. It also doesn't call for violence.

If they wanted to get rid of the president before, why didn't they? Why need rioters at all? The parliament could have declared that before all that violence.

 

None of this would have happened if Yanukovich simply respected the right of the people to protest peacefully.

 

The identity of the snipers, those who gave the orders to fire and the identity of the intended victims are all in doubt. This isn't the black and white picture the media is painting.

 

because old system was corrupted and criminal , that´s why the new government started with change of constitution, that's way Julia is in the shadow, 80% of Ukraine wants to move forward they sick of vatnik´s world

 

there is no hard evidence that the snipers were anyone but Ukrainian forces loyal to Yanukovich.

 

The two leaked conversations, particularly the Paet-Ashton one, and the media's lack of investigative follow-ups, suggests to me that there is more to this than meets the eye. And this is from somebody who hates conspiracy theorists.

 

baseless suspicion is not evidence

 

I know. But I reject that they are not without some foundation. There is enough doubt in my mind to be able to question the narrative as it currently stands. I suspect that more will come out in due course. I remain open to the possibility that the snipers' intended victims were from both sides as implied by Paet. I maintain a critical and open mind in such matters, particularly as we have been lied to on numerous occasions previously.

 

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

claims of a conspiracy by the protestors to have their own snipers, shoot protestors, and blaim it on the govt. is an extraordinary claim that requirs a lot of evidence before I will entertain it.

 

I agree with much that you say, but remember that the Black Sea provides Russia's only warm-water, year-around port. It also provides Russia's access to the Mediterranean Sea, through the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles. That is Russia's vital water lifeline to its base in Syria, the Suez Canal, and the Persian Gulf. The Black Sea Fleet may not be "state-of-the-art" yet, but Putin will fight like a mad dog to keep it, and to keep Ukrainians out of Sevastopol.

You may be interested in these links that pertain to Russia's Black Sea Navy Fleet, and the Russian Navy in general:
http://rt.com/politics/russia-black-sea-submarines/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ne...ernize-its-black-sea-fleet-in-ukraine/5324111
http://www.stripes.com/news/analyst...till-key-to-russia-s-naval-interests-1.270904
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20110423/163662123.html

 

What, exactly, does NATO have to do with Syria (which, in any case, features The Bad Guys versus The Other Bad Guys--which is to say, a bloodthirsty dictator that is backed by the Iran/Russia/Hezbollah axis versus rebels that have been largely infiltrated by al-Qaeda)?

Although I do not believe this move was inspired by NATO--the people in eastern Ukraine (including Kiev) are not nearly so Russia-friendly as the people of Crimea (many of whom are of Russian ancestory) are--I would be very happy to take credit for this if it truly were the case.

It is my understanding that Viktor Yanukovych had acted unilaterally to diminish, greatly, the powers of the parliament--much as the late Hugo Chavez had done in Venezuela--so I celebrate the overthrow of this tyrant, who (mis)used the democratic system, itself, to try to destroy democracy in Ukraine.

 

Well, since you have advanced no serious argument to counter my point, I will just take it as a given that you have none...

 

And Maidan is clean, right?

 

you think Russia dont have the ports on the BS? ok, you get cargo in Crimea what then? have you seen a map?
is Turkey still in NATO?

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way much cleaner, thats why all states recognized already the new U. Government

 

It was not done under foreign occupation.

 

Sometimes they are about self-defense and counter-attack; as, for instance, when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941.

I believe that Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini were, indeed, the very quintessence of evil. (Admittedly, however, Stalin--with whom the US aligned itself--was no more morally pure than these others were.)

 

Well, I suppose that anyone whose UserName is "KGB agent" can be counted upon to believe that Russia should "take Crimea" by force...

 

Erdogan has a very large potential problem on his hands, as you know. He must consider the Tatars, and he must also think very carefully about what he would do if the U. S. and the EU try to push him into doing something as colossally stupid as closing off Russia's access to the Mediterranean Sea. I don't doubt that the Three Stooges team of Obama/Kerry/Hagel might try to force Erdogan into doing this, but I also believe he is smarter than that. I lived all my younger adult life with the constant threat of nuclear war, and I damn sure don't want to have to go through all that again....

More interesting material:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/turkeys-muted-reaction-to-the-crimean-crisis
http://carnegie.ru/eurasiaoutlook/?fa=54950

 

The only real "appeasement" that I have seen recently, with regard to America and Russia, is President Obama's appeasement of Russia; from his "reset" with Russia, about five years ago (under then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton) to his abrupt cancellation of plans to place missile-defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.

He seems to believe that if only America will make nice to the Soviets--uh, make that Russia--well, then the Russians will surely reciprocate.

I beleive there is a word for that: naivete.

 

And is it proved that Crimea is occupied?

 

This word can surely be used for those that are sure that US has ever had a nice policy towards russians or soviets. You don't have any example right? You just no that you are the good guys. And we are bad.

Even the word 'reset' in russian was poorely translated meaning 'overweighted'. And since times of reset it only became worse. With everything and with the missiles as well.

 

You mean besides the thousands of russian troops , helicopters and armoured vehicles ?

Are you naive , stupid or lying ?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNdWpIUzgnM (Only not for kids and pregnant women)

Do you have any idea where it could happen. A still living police officer with an eye torn off his head is next to a stage which is full of inspiring songs and the guy with a red cross refuses to call for an ambulance. Is it dirty russian invasion or a clean political and peaceful protest?

 

I know that Crimea has been a base of russian black sea fleet for centuries. I know that russian war ships were base in Sevastopol a century a decade a year ago. It was there yesterday. It is there today. Will be there tomorrow. In a year. And at least till 2025 according to a signed treaty with the Ukraine. Does this knowledge make me stupid?
And what would you call a person that is whown a photo of russian warships as a proof that there has happened an invasion to Crimea after the coup in Kiev?

I saw photos of russian people who has always lived in Crimea and served in an army. Who are russians. (it is in wikipedia and any book of history). Now it was told that these guys who have their fathers and grandfathers fighting with the fascists. They hear about the plans to forbid russian language and to withdraw them from their houses and to be ruled by descendants of fascist servants. Is a supposition that these guys have taken weapons and are ready to protect their land naive enough for you? Do you believe really that ugly Putin organised an invasion having all the signs that these guys are from Russia taken off their uniform?
I saw photos of lonely armor unit and a group of APMs with the words that they were shot in Rostov... But Rosotov is a russian city!

Besides, there is an interview of Putin who tells that he is reaqdy to use his military in the Ukraine but so far he hasn't made this decision and it is all about the ability of ukrainian coup leaders to control the situation. So why would he deny that the troops are already there with telling that he WILL use the military if it is needed?! Who is lying?

And again. why there is no blood in Crimea and blood has filled Kiev during that coup which is ordered by your propaganada press to be proud of?

 

How come the Crimean referendum doesn't let people vote to stay a part of Ukraine?