Is Russia about to push toward Kiev?

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    no needs, no one starts a war with the biggest European state with having a massive backup
     
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    Right, so there was NO constitutional basis for that "circus" vote. There's no procedural element to it either. You have no procedures, anywhere, that allow a violent removal of the president and then a circus vote once he's already gone when there's no need to vote for him to stay anymore anyway.

    The only "procedure" this followed was the standard violent coup de'tat protocol.
     
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    pliz, you are not expert on Constitutional(U) law, post a link to an independent expert or just stop this BS, pardon my bad French. the all countries have recognized the New U. Government and no one has recognized GoblinĀ“s junta with their 4 % in last election. so it says really a lot about Legitimacy aspect.

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    Crimea is a Russian land. It have never been a part of Ukraine, except a short period, when Nikita Khrushchev decided to assign it to Ukraine without asking opinions of Russians who actually lived there. Now, Crimea is going back to Russia by will of people who live in Crimea. Since Ukraine gained independence from Russia, Crimea remained Russian. We have never respected "international law", but we sometimes respected human rights. Now, other Ukrainian territories became questionable, because the new Maidan government violated law of Ukraine and grabbed the power without proper electoral process. Who asked Ukrainians, if they liked Stephan Bandera and nationalists?
     
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    So far, a major stream of BS is coming from you.
     
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    Eighty thousands are not enough. Even 200,000 is not enough. They should make the decision first. This ingredient is lacking and you should not panic prematurely. The threat to Maidan government is coming form inside. I do not believe Ukrainians would swallow this coup easily.
     
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    Referendum is a necessary process and it is open for observers and journalists. Did you do a referendum before taking the power in Kiev? That was really dirty. How about snipers who shot protesters to aggravate the violence?
     
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    CNN is a corporate prostitute. They are promoting politics to please their masters. They do not eve mention to them facts. "Russians are coming!"

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    You better surrender. Maidan and your Bandera will not help, because Ukrainians despise you.
     
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    Crimean Tatars will be much more comfortable with Russians. Jews are hated by Ukrainian nationalists.
     
  10. litwin

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    you just are wasting your time , vatnik propaganda does not work in the free world

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    Crimea will be perfectly at home with Russia. Crimean people needed autonomy to protect themselves from nationalistic pressure from Ukraine. Once in Russia, they can have a peace of mind. Crimea have a good agricultural land (wheat and pastures for sheep) in the north and superb popular resorts in the south. When with Russia, their economy will be booming.
     
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    Excelolent! Yes: "suka and also blyad! Ukrainians like vodka as much as Russians do.
     
  14. litwin

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    yes, but they are not drooping in Satvropol when they are drunk, they stay at home ...
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    It was not a coup, the President was impeached in full accordance with the Ukrainian Constitution by the duly elected Ukrainian Parliament, new Presidential elections are already set for May in line with the Constitutional mandate for new elections to be held within 90 days of a Presidential Impeachment.
     
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    A referendum for annexation under foreign military occupation is an illegitimate overt violation of the laws and customs of war.

    The backers of the Russian puppet President shot the protesters despite the fascist blame the victim nonsense of the Kremlin's Ministry of Propaganda.
     
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    The only prostitutes in this situation are the Moscow whores under the Kremlin Ministry of Propaganda state sponsored fascist newspeak. You would think that the Russian pigs would learn what happens when they promote confrontation rather than cooperation with the West, but I guess wiping their asses with the Ruble because it was worth less than toilet paper wasn't enough of a lesson, it is now time for a full scale economic war against the Bear on a Cold War footing, Putin has over played his hand, it is now time to kick Russia out of the G8, IMF, and WTO impose a full trade embargo of imports to and exports from Russia, to punish any nation which continues to do business with these war criminals by taking away their most favored nation trading status, and to seize all Russian assets in the West until they decide to come within full compliance of international law and end their unjustified military occupation of sovereign Ukrainian territory. The Evil Empire has gotten the carrot long enough, it's time for the stick!
     
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    No it is sovereign Ukrainian territory under international law.
     
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    Under international law, it is part of Ukraine.
     
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    Crimea is part of Ukraine is outside of Ukrainian law new , it makes referendum just step in anschluss operation ...
     
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    I trust the Telegraph as much as I do the Daily Mail to impart truth. On the BS barometer both usually come in around 80 per cent. They are among the worst rags we have here in the UK. But I'm grateful for the information.
     
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    A fascist coup in Kiev funded by western is ALSO ilegitimate and violation of the international Laws.

    Krym is Russian, by history, by the laws in 1991-1992 and by FACTO.Westerners have invaded many times (polish, swedish, french, german etc.. ... but always Rodina crushed them!.
     
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    According to international law, Crimea is part of Ukraine. Get used to it.
     
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    Watching the two sides go at it is absolutely fascinating.

    Propaganda, lies, half truths, opinions, innuendos, both sides are out in full force and I believe this is THE FIRST international conflict between two major powers since the invention of the Internet.

    The ability to speak to the other side directly adds such an interesting twist to the conflict.

    What would it have been like to sit in a chat room and talk with Nazis from Germany?
     
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    I would argue that the disollution of any totalitarian state--without exception--is a very good thing, both for the citizens thereof and for the rest of the world.
     

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