Is the "Stand Your Ground Law" becoming a license to kill?

But that is usually the case when you have deer, dove, and duck hunting seasons overlapping each other in the southern states. I don't think it has anything to do with a scared pbblic that the governemnt is going to take over everytuing or that the public is afraid of their own shadow.

 

How can you say they changed their mind? The article did not say that. They never entered an SYG because it was never an SYG.

 

Mass shootings are rare and occur less than 1% of all gun deaths. Yet, mass killings are the most tramatic, media centered events because everything that went wrong that day is examined in micro detail from the reason why the shooter did what they did to what law enforcement did or did not do to prevent it.

Likewise, when 9/11 happened, despite four airplaine crashes in the U.S, it was still one of the safest years to fly, both demoestially and internationally.

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To have a SYG hearing, the defense team must file a pre trial motion with whoever the convening judge is overseeing the case. They did not in June of 2012 soon after GZ was arrested and charged with the murder.

 

GZ confronted TM. It was on TM's cell phone per Dee Dee's affadavit. The defense team did not challenge that specific aspect of the tape during trial, just her credibility and where TM was at the time before the confrontation occured.

 

Precisely, if you follow most gun advocates "logic" we should have simply ignored 9/11 and certainly not abridged anyone's Constitutional right to fly. We'd have only lost few hundred more to the shoe bomber and/or the guys just carrying bombs straight on with their concealed bomb permits. Such is the price of freedom.

 

No they are pretty uniform in requiring you and a reasonable fear on imminent bodily harm before you can defend yourself. You can use deadly force just because you fear you will be hurt it has to be an imminent threat. And once again, the Zimmerman defense was NOT a SYG, just simple self defense. Why do you guys keep harping on SYG.

 

It had nothing to explain.

There was nothing to explain about it other than what the defense witness explained, the state could not refute it, of course they didn't bring it up it hurt their case.

He did not see what happened.

I suggest you read and listen to hiss statement to police.

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/peo...0-files-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-case/


Other than you being factually wrong in the above I have no interest in your machinations.

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He did exactly as the NEN dispatcher instructed him and everything he did was perfectly reasonable.

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Oh spare me the sophomoric post.

 

Nice deflection.

The question still stands.

 

Why all that CAPITOL man? I never said anything about the numerous possible effects of direct head trauma on the human brain now did I?

And why all the assumption about my position concerning either Zimmerman or vegetables?

Concerning the Stand Your Ground Law... are there no Citizens left that have any self-respect concerning their rights to defend themselves from unjust aggression?

This goes for Treyvon too! Hypothetically?: Had he been licensed when he was aggressed by an unknown assailant should he not have the same right to "Stand His Ground" if he was not currently in the act of violating the rights of another person?

 

No it wasn't. DeeDee was a known liar. Her testimony proved nothing. She was clearly told what to say by Crump.

 

Who does that? But anyway I have the right to go outside and check my own property. If some criminal attacks me I also have a right to defend myself. This is common sense.

 

I agree. On ones own property one has more rights. But what rights specifically does a person have on public ground as per current Supreme Law. That being the final and only possible absolute appellate arena should things ever come to that?

 

I would say one has the right to protect one's self no matter the location. LIberals abhor individual rights so they hate this concept. But cops can't be everywhere at once so the condition exists that makes the right to protect one's self a necessity.

 

True Liberals would have no problem with your statement...

>Hobbes<, >Locke< and >Co<. certainly agreed. But they would be considered Conservative by today's standards now would they not?

"Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States. It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic policy."

Adam Smith, Jean-Baptiste Say, David Ricardo, and yes... even Mr. Thomas Robert Malthus. As hard as it is.

 

Jeremy's statement is damn lie.

You can hear him on the 911 call saying something to the effect 'he warned me that he was going to shoot.."

But of course Jeremy gave his statement after the March 1, 2012 HOA meeting which was attended by no other than former Sanford police chief Bill Lee and someone who complained that he had warned the HOA about George's overagressiveness while patroling was kicked out.

Along with the fact that he was tradiing emails with Zimmerman during the investigation was the reason that Bill Lee got canned.

Jenna who was a member of the HOA board stated that she recognized George begging for help yet she called 911 and told Jeremy not to go outside and help George.

Explain to me why John Good didn't help George restrain Trayvon? Two grown men could have easily taken down a 158lb kid.

I know why--John Good didn't see Trayvon beating up George MMA style he saw George holding Trayvon at gunpoint as did Jena and she freaked out because several residents had already reported George's overly aggressive patrol tactics and she was worried about being sued.

 

You really don't understand what SYG does.

It allows people not to retreat when in public.

If you're in public there is usually a way to deescalate a confrontation.

Unfortunately there are people who commit crimes believing they can use SYG as a defense as long as they kill the only witness.

Maybe you haven't noticed but most of the Zimmerman supporters believe the only rights that Trayvon had night was to either go home or answer George's questions.

Unfortunately thanks to FL law unless and until George actually touched Trayvon he didn't have a legal right to defend himself. FL doesn't allow you to defend yourself if someone stalks you or verbally threatens you.

What pisses me off even more is that Trayvon wasn't legally allowed to own a weapon and therefore was at a disadvantage and George knew he was a teenager and that's why he felt comfortable stalking him.

 

You can train all you want. Being able to actually get your gun, aim and fire in a matter of seconds isn't as easy as it looks in the movies.

LOL. I doubt that most burglars break in during the daytime or send out notes as to when they are going to break-in, and I guess her son never goes to the bathroom late at night or comes in late if he's a teenager?

Thanks for the laugh though.

 

Why do you keep embarassing yourself? There was no stalking on the part of George, none. There isn't enough evidence to support your claims. Why people make these claims is a mystery.

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That is one heck of a conspiracy theory complete with hearing voices. LOL!

 

Why would it matter if the "Public" is not allowed to intervene either? The Public only matters as witness to crime. So your murdered in front of the "Public". Okay! Now what?

Please! Help ME!!!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

Thanks Public!

1-So. 2-Was I addressing "most of the Zimmerman supporters" on a public forum?

In that particular case as quoted I agree. Did Treyvon have a cell phone?

So he used his SuperZimmerman X-Ray vision to see through the hoodie and into Treyvons walleted ID at night?

 

The fact that Trayvon's cell phone was on the ground proves that Trayvon didn't try to ambush George nor was he the aggressor because common sense says that if Trayvon were going to attack George he would have secured his phone first.

The fact that Trayvon dropped his phones means that he was surprised by George while walking south and George had circled around and met him going north. All of the debris ( George's flashlight and Trayvon's belongings) were south of Trayvon's body which was south of the T.

If the fight had started at the T then those things should have been between the T and Trayvon's body.

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No conspiracy theory just facts.

Can you tell me why Billy Bob Lee was fired?

Explain to me why the Martin family had to sue the city of Sanford to obtain a copy of George's NEN call?

It's funny that you hang your hat on a the words of a known liar and schemer.

 

Wow you need reading comprehension badly.

I said that SYG allows people to escalate situations in public places when most people would leave the scene. There have been instances where people have left the scene obtained a weapon and used it and successfully claimed SYG.

You had to go back what five decades to find a case where someone was ignored?

I hope some of your relatives are murdered by someone like Michael Dunn who thought he could shoot up an SUV then claim someone inside the truck pointed a gun at him.

What's the point if Trayvon had a cell phone? He was talking to his friend minding his own business. He wasn't required to call the police and if he had they would have thought it was a hoax because Trayvon's South FL cell phone number would have been captured by the police's caller ID and they would have given him a hard time.

Maybe you should ask why George Zimmerman called the police and decided to follow Trayvon knowing that they were on their way?

Your snark is duly noted but if you knew anything about the case you would know that George identified Trayvon as being in his late teens on the NEN call, then the idiot lied about it during the first bond hearing.

Don't make yourself sound stupid when you don't know the facts just keep your posts to yourself.

 

Here's what I'm in favor of: the castle doctrine being extended to your car and person.

Call it what you like.

 

How do you know it didn't fall out of his pocket? He had a headset for the phone.....You are not using common sense that is called conjecture and assumption.

Witnesses heard it start at the T in the sidewalk. That disproves your assumption.

No they "shouldn't" have nor was it necessary.

Try assumption and conjecture.

You can thank the race baiters for that. He tried to resign but wasn't allowed to. "Firing" him was a show.

First off there is no "Martin Family". There is Tracy Martin and his ho's. Why would they be entitled to them in the first place with an investigation still going on?

You still haven't proven anything. Nothing but assumption, conjecture and hyperbole on your part. The verdict was not guilty. That blows anything you claim out of the water. Live with it.

 

George was describing Trayvon after he had seen him up close. On the NEN call he was seeing him from a distance. TM looked older. Even the first reponders listed Trayvon as being older than he really was......what else ya got?

 

Yeah... I think you forgot what you said...

"Why would it matter if the "Public" is not allowed to intervene either? The Public only matters as witness to crime. So your murdered in front of the "Public". Okay! Now what?"

"Please! Help ME!!!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

Thanks Public!"

"1-So. 2-Was I addressing "most of the Zimmerman supporters" on a public forum?"

"In that particular case as quoted I agree. Did Treyvon have a cell phone?"

"So he used his SuperZimmerman X-Ray vision to see through the hoodie and into Treyvons walleted ID at night?"