Is the "Stand Your Ground Law" becoming a license to kill?

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    No, I'm not implying that, but that is the argument Alwayssa was making (in reference to random gun-point robbery out on the streets, not burglary)
    and I'm just pointing out that your attempted counterexample did not invalidate her argument.
    BTW, that gun safe was awesome. Everyone should have such a safe.
     
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    Whoo hoo Gunney!
     
  3. DentalFloss

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    It's an awesome gunsafe. But if, as is implied in the video, she lives alone, it seems unnecessary. In fact, I've had several cop friends tell me that I'm foolish, not for having a gun, not for having it in my closet, but rather because I didn't keep it, at all times, within arms reach. So now I do.
     
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    True, it doesn't but the point is that rare situations should be taken for they are at face value, rare. Be prepared is one thing, but you have to take each situation on a case by case basis.

    the key in that type of training is observation. The observation is in the eyes of the erson who is holding the gun and with your peripheral vision where the hand and fingers are in relation to the trigger mechanism. It will work, generally, if the finger is not on the trigger mechanism and you stare right into the perps eyes.

    If you are going to train, I wish you success in that. .
     
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    You are entitled to your own baseless opinion. History won't agree with you, however.
     
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    theunbubba Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really don't have a clue do you? On that point Hafez is right.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    In most circumstances, yes. Pretty girls in highly staged and extremely unrealistic commercials notwithstanding a gun is much more likely to get you killed in a confrontation than the confronter. This is because the confronter already has his weapon out, whereas you still have to draw the gun and shoot it.

    If I walk up behind you, grab you as I overtake, and have a knife in my hand, you had better hope I do not notice you are carrying a gun, for I might let you go if I don't, but will surely kill you if I do.

    I have seen situations reported in newspapers where a man in a bar was observed to have a gun under his coat. Two men followed him and killed him for the gun. Luckily someone else had called the police and the murderers were caught. Both of them confessed that they'd had no intentions of hurting anyone that night but knew they could easily get premium price for a gun. They had no fear of him using it, for they never gave him a chance to use it.

    A gun beats everything as an offensive weapon, but as a purely defensive weapon, it sucks. Unless you are planning to kill everyone you come in contact with it places you at at a disadvantage rather than offering any defense.

    Most home invaders like the one in the commercial would kick the door in from the side and then shoot you from an unexpected angle. Or possibly use the door assault to lure you to the door while an armed confederate watches from a window. In any case, there would be two, they would both be armed and they would not just faint away.

    Glock, in fact, was being rather irresponsilble. The woman should have stayed in the bedroom, with the gun, and called the police, after the first unresponsive knock.

    A home invader expects armed resistance, in fact, he counts on it. The gun gives the woman a false sense of security when she should have just called the police.

    Also, Glock should be sued by the Door makers of America. An average door will break an average leg before it gives way. I have seen police beat a regular wooden door three times with a professional battering ram before they gave up and used three shotgun shells to no real avail. An experienced officer then drew his pistol and blew the hinges off, using five bullets to do so. Most doors have much stronger locks than hinges.

    If you want to defend your home spend your money on good secure doors, locks, barred and/or unbreakable windows, security cameras (which cost less than good locks nowadays) and finally a big loud barking dog. Any one of them is more reliable and much safer than a gun.
     
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    Locks are only for the honest. You seem to assume that all home invaders are armed with weapons and also seem to suggest that you are better off unarmed to protect yourself. Silly notion.
     
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    Citation?

    I pay attention to my surroundings. You would never get that close without me already taking some kind of action.

    You won't.

    If someone has targeted you for termination, you're probably going to die. Armed, not armed, or otherwise. People have been killed over shoes.

    That's insane. I have a friend who is alive today because he was armed. Ironically, it was virtually the exact scenario outlined in the video, a gang of thugs (that had previously robbed, raped, and murdered others via home invasions) kicked in his front door. Fortunately, he drew a gun, and they ran.

    Now you've gone into lala land.

    Nothing in your entire post is anything but your severely misguided opinion.
     
  10. BestViewedWithCable

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    an Alzheimers patient will kick your ass for being in his house, even though its 5 miles away....

    Ill wait for the court to decide.
     
  11. Iron River

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    As sure as you seem to be you must have at least ten cases where an armed person was killed with their own gun by an attacker.??

    Admitting that you would kill someone if they rested your attempt to rob or rape them confirms that deadly force should always be used against you. I'm not a girl with a gun but can do your best to sneak up[ behind me if you want but you won't find it easy and because you pledge to kill me if I'm armed I will kill you and you like before you get near me.

    You have a very poor imagination. I don't believe that any state allows guns in bars and the idea that these two guy would make liberal gun grabber statements is less likely.

    A gun doesn't offer ANY defense?? Have the many, many cases recounted from across the country on this forum been lies??

    You are getting g way to deep into the mind that you perceive the average criminal is working with. Most criminals are idiots who think somewhat like you in that they think that they know what they are doing but don't.

    So you think that home invaders EXPECT armed resistance?? Why in the world would a criminal invade a house where he expected to face a person with a gun???

    Are you for real??

    The home invader of your dreams would defeat all of those security measures. The guys you assume to be home invaders are very smart, sober as a judge, perfect physical condition, disguised as police officers or the home owners' kids who the invaders have captured and stolen their clothing. The guys you imagine would even have facial reconstruction to make themselves looks like the kids so that they could steal the home owners big screen TV and their guns.
     

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