Is the such a thing as an illegal alien?

And those communist own 70% of US GDP.

 

Seems like if people disagree with you they are socialist. You can call Democrat a socialist, a communist , just keep in mind 70% US GDP own by Democrats. Without those communist GDP most of the RED state would go hungry!

 

I thought playing Victim card is MEGA republican mantra. Can’t win election – it’s voter fraud, Can’t take criticism – it’s fake news. Can't run the country - it's Deep state.

 

The "Question" is a
double negative

 

There's nothing about playing the victim card when you are the target of a criminal act like theft, rape or...voter fraud.Can't run the country? Like Biden with gas prices, war, runaway crime, unbridled inflation, open borders?

 

Do you know any time in US history the board was closed? It is a 3 thousand miles open terrain. Joe Biden didn’t draw the geographical map between Mexico and US .

Voter fraud – not a single US court found Voter fraud claim credible. Repeating same lie doesn’t make it a truth.

 

The boarder definitely is long. But properly guarded and patrolled, with violators expelled, we never had any mass illegal migration coming through as we do now. The numbers speak for themselves. Biden is allowing hundeeds of thousands of illegals in. That has never happened before.

 

Oh the border was secure before and illegal immigrant didn’t come to US as they do today? If that is the case, then since 2007 there were at least 3 attempt to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill, every time those bills were discussed, republicans argument was “ we need to secure the border before we address the comprehensive immigration reform”. Seems like republican never had any intention to do any kind of immigration reform but blame the border.

 

When people are breaking into your house and living there, what do you do first? Call the security company and get alarms and detectors installed... they'll fit you into their schedule next month while the intruders continue to come in?. Or do you get the intruders OUT... then lock the doors and windows? Which would YOU do first?

 

First I don’t compare “my House” to “ USA”. May be that is the problem with conservative.

According to you, border was secure before Biden came to Office. If that is the case then in past 15 years why did Republican opposed “comprehensive immigration reform” and keep saying “ we need to fix border first”.

We, Democrats know very well, border has nothing to do with immigration. This is just an excuse not to do comprehensive immigration reform. Wealthy conservative who has business, they like cheap undocumented immigrant to pick tomatoes, and middle class conservatives don’t want to see brown people moving into their neighborhood. This is why they will never support comprehensive immigration reform.

 

Securing one's home is EXACTLY like securing the USA... except the USA is much bigger. The border was porous for years... but NOTHING like today.

You have obviously never seen the masses of people coming across our border every day today. I have. You obviously don't care about the 100,000 dead Americvans due to fentanyl being brought across daily.

Ok, we get it.

 

You can't have open borders in a welfare state......which we are, period. It is suicide.

 

Can you tell me what policy made America an open border country ? Can you tell me what is Welfare state ?

 

I have heard about “secure the border first” back in 2007 , when Republican President G.W. Bush pushed for comprehensive immigration reform, I have heard about “secure the border first” in 2013 when Gang of Six and Obama administration tried to push for another comprehensive immigration reform and since then every time Democrat brings up comprehensive immigration reform. Even during Trump administration “secure the border first” chant.

“Secure the border first” is a euphemism for we don’t want brown people take over our country.

 

Let me add a point of clarification, please. The border between the United States of America and Mexico is calculated to be 1,933 miles long by the U. S. Census Bureau. Link: https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2010/compendia/statab/130ed/tables/11s0359.pdf

Now, for reflection, here's a link to Executive Order 13767, signed by President Trump on Jan. 30, 2017, which authorized 'the Wall': https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...rity-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

Personal opinion... On April 12, 2017, concerning 'the Wall', I posted this (only a small excerpt):

"Building a ... 30 ft. high wall through the most harsh, forbidding desert mountain terrain in the Northern Hemisphere is sheer madness! The cost of building it would be tiny compared to the cost of maintaining and STAFFING the damned thing!

So, what should we do instead?! Put in strips of anti-personnel land mines on the border, and patrol the air over the entire border with armed surveillance DRONES. These drones could be "flown" from the air-conditioned comfort of headquarters at Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, Texas, Ft. Bliss, at El Paso, Texas, Ft. Huachuca, in Arizona, and then any of several military installations in San Diego.

My solution would be absolutely microscopic in terms of cost, materiel, personnel, and sustainability."

Today, on January 4, 2023? My solution to the very real illegal alien problem is still the best -- along with SEALING THE BORDER SHUT to all permanent migration for a 'cooling-off' period of five years. The only (ONLY) exceptions would be for 'real', verifiable applications for asylum, submitted legally in advance.

 

Sure.....a welfare State is where income is redistributed from producers to non producers. We do it in many ways. We call them "safety nets". In many states $80,000 a year can be obtained by not working. Obama did away with most "work search" requirements. Healthcare is paraded as a "right" not a personal responsibility. the list goes on and on and this Administration is "ripe" with giveaways such as the forgiveness of student loan debt. There are also many many perks for those who enter illegally.

Catch and release is one that makes us an open border country. Arizona was sued recently and made to take down part of it's border barricade. Why else was that action taken other than to keep the border open? Border Patrol is kept pre occupied with paper work to give entry to those who would violate our borders while millions cross undetected. Over 5 million have entered illegally this year alone. In spite of the fact MSM does not report any of this, you'd have to live in a cave to not know it.

 

The only "euphemism" here is the attempt to take everything that is wrong about America and make it about race. That comment above is "racist" in itself merely by the fact there are many with black skin, yellow skin and even white entering this country, illegally!

 

So when was the time US border was closed?

 

You do know 70% of US GDP comes from region which elect Democrats. Those hard earn production transfer to Red state to pay for “ safety net” and even regular state business. If conservatives are so against “ safety net” , then they should not take welfare, but work hard like Democrat and may raise GDP from 30% to 70% like BLUE state! It’s just a suggestion. You don’t have to complain about “ Safety net” , just stop taking them and work hard like liberals do!

The phrase “catch and Release” came from a congressional hearing in 2005 by Republican Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff under GW. BUSH. This practice going back long before Joe Biden or Obama came to office.

 

If you think the term racist is bad, then stop supporting racist policy.

 

The only thing I could find that came close was this: "In September 1969, the Nixon administration launched "Operation Intercept," an anti-drug measure that resulted in the near closing of the border between Mexico and the United States. The operation was unpopular and failed, but it led to the Boundary Treaty of 1970, which created our modern border lines."
Link: https://mexico.arizona.edu/revista/brief-legislative-history-last-50-years-us-mexico-border#:~:text=In September 1969, the Nixon,created our modern border lines.

The Mexican military has closed the border with the U. S. on occasion, and, in fact, I was in Ciudad Acuña (across the border from Del Rio, Texas), staying at Ma Crosby's in March of 1972 (it was a restaurant and hotel back then), when the Mexican Army came in and declared martial law! It seems that south of there near another Mexican border town called Piedras Negras, a military convoy was attacked by some bunch of Mexican bandits who actually killed some big-shot Mexican general. I looked down from my second-story hotel window at Crosby's and all you saw were armed Mexican military on every street corner. They opened the border crossing with Texas that afternoon, and I got the hell out of there....

Anyway, I know that's not the point of interest here, but when you get to be an old guy like me, you've seen a lot of stuff that comes floating out of your memory, and that event was the only one of its kind that I ever experienced along the border with Mexico.

 

In other words "stop living" because everything that makes America Great seems to be racist in your eyes..

 

Thank you for the reply. So as we can see US border was never closed, “catch and release” is not a new thing Biden or Obama invented. The practice of undocumented immigrant released and wait for court date has been a particle very long time.

Biden administration didn’t create a policy that made it easy for undocumented migrant. Obama didn’t pass a policy which made it easy for undocumented to come and stay in USA.

So what has changed that we have so many migrants are coming from south. The Economy, The violence. DRUG Lords taking control of the country.

Unfortunately, American people don’t have the appetite to send US force in these countries to save their economy or stabilize those nation. And even if Americans had the appetite, we saw from our engagement in Middle East that most often “policing a state” will not result a better solution.


I don’t agree with your post #340 using landmines. Using landmines is a 20th century barbaric practice that should be banned. As a matter of fact, majority countries in the world banned landmines. Building Walls along the border is 2000 + years old. If we truly want some kind of protection so people can’t come without our knowledge, then combination of Fiber optic sensor , drone like you suggested and other modern technology. Those will be cost effective and repair / replace is easy and cheap. Sadly, no politician ever bring those up. May be because “ Big beautiful wall , Mexico will pay for it” sound more entertaining on campaign trail.

 

Americans don't have the appetite for over seas actions, but we're talking our Southern border! The least we could do is declare Cartels Terrorists, kill them when found, use drones to blow the hell out of their labs and operations! They just over ran a Mexican prison facility killing many and freeing Cartel members! If that is not the charactorization of a failed state on our Southern border.....I don't know what is!

 

It’s a free country. You can support all the racist policy you want. That is your right. Because USA is a free country, it is my freedom and right to call you a racist. If you don’t want me to call you racist, change your policy or accept the fact that I will call you racist.

I really don’t want you to stop supporting racist policy. This works great for Democrat and Liberal. Young generation don’t buy into conservatism. The more conservatives cling into racist policy , the more they push away younger voter. Majority immigrants and minority Americans despise this racist policy. So keep practicing this racist policy in the name of “ make America Great Again”. It’s a simple math, at some point when you can’t bring new voter to support you party , it will die!