Is there actually any optimism on the "pro-life" side for "victory"?

Are there any of them who see Roe being overturned in ...less than 5 years?....less than 10?....less than 20?

And if so, what do they base that on, after FORTY-plus years of failures to overturn it.

The polls are consistant....while people are "personally pro-life", the majority support abortion being legal, even a majority supporting the Roe v. Wade decision as a correct one.

They have to use dishonest "back door" ways of trying to close down clinics. (Ref: the Texas "hygiene laws", which even "pro-life" leaders admit is a trick and a lie).

Republicans constantly make them promises on a national level to "end the scourage of abortion"....but once in office, focus on some "partial birth" law that is buried in the Senate (even by Republicans) or laws that they KNOW will get veto'ed.....and it's all "just for show"....until the next election.

"Pro-lifers" to Republicans are becoming the mistress that the GOP promises to leave their wife for....but never do.

So....are there ANY optimistic "pro-lifers"...and if so...why are you optimistic? Based on what facts or events?

 

26 views....and NO optimistic "pro-lifers"???

 

I believe TRAP laws (like the Texas hygeine regulations) are a good idea.

 

so yet again you show your utter disdain for the laws and constitution of your country, fully agreeing with laws that are purely put in place to circumnavigate the constitution.

Why do you hate your country so much?

 

I agree with TRAP laws because they reduce abortion rates, and even if they dont, they send a good message.

I dont hate anybody. I just have controversial opinions that a lot of people find offensive, and I dont have to apologize for it.

 

Even though they are go against your constitution, and the message they send is if you want to get your own way just ignore the constitution and create laws that while not technically illegal are basically full of lies in order to achieve your goal.

I didn't say you did hate anybody, I asked you why you hate your country so much.

Yes you are entitled to your opinions, no one has said anything different .. the problem is you are not content with just having those opinions you are trying to force them onto others via the law.

 

The 4th ammendment about unreasonable searches has nothing to do with abortion.

I dont hate my country. I support laws that are for the best of my country.

I dont know how else to say this, but so flipping what???

 

Anyway let us move away from your attempt to distract from the OP, do you have anything to say on it or will you just keep on flying off at a tangent.

 

You were the one who started it.

 

I suggest you re-read post #3 and then explain what the hell that has to do with the OP

 

Gorn Captain mentioned TRAP laws, so i just told him my ideas about them, and then you responded by stating your controversial opinions.

 

So he did, fair enough I apologise for suggesting you were off topic. .. Still doesn't change the fact that you support laws that undermine your constitution and as you put it "so flipping what???"

 

Looks like you answered your own question, didn't you? Clinics got closed. Progress is happening. And you know I'm right or you wouldn't be so angry about it.

 

Unreasonable searches and seizures in the 4th ammdnemtn of the US constitution has nothing to do with abortion.

 

Who is even mentioning the 4th amendment except you that is.

 

You mentioned banning abortion goes agianst the US constituion. i refuted the constituional arguements in favor of abortion.

 

Who even mentioned the 4th as anything to do with abortion .. try the 14th instead.

 

The 14th ammendment only says that something doesnt have to be mentioned in the constituion to be a right. doesnt prove that abortion is a right.

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 9

14th - Section 1. - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. - http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

You are talking about the 9th - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment9.html

MOD EDIT - Rule 9 you don't even know what bloody amendments you are talking about.

 

What the **** does that have to do with abortion? Does it prove abortion is a right-no it doesnt.

 

To change the minds of people who think it is ok to murder the unborn for convenience will be very difficult. One would have to transcend and move beyond our common consciousness which is self centered, selfish, ego consciousness. While I think this will eventually happen, as a part of the brain's evolution into a higher intelligence, if we don't self destruct first, it is perhaps very far into our future.

This culture we live in is one of utter insanity. With the inmates running the institution We don't respect human life, and have little value for it, unless it is our own. So since we have the same brain as we had 50, 000 years ago, and this brain has made a mess of things, cannot find clarity, cannot see things objectively, an evolution is overdue. I have high hopes that eventually we will be intelligent beings, instead of beings ruled over by the illusion created by thought, that we call the ego, the self, the soul. We have to transcend the illusion, or surely we will self destruct, given we have the technology to do just that.

 

So let's keep abortion legal and safe since obviously human nature is not going to change any time soon.

 

Closing doors to the poor so they can't get cancer screenings, birth control and other health services is PROGRESS? Only to a regressive.


Abortions happened (have always happened) when there were no clinics...clinics made them safe for the LIFE of the woman, a LIFE regressives don't care about.

 

Life liberty and property. Arguing that that constitution verse absolutley says abortion should be legal is jumping through hoops. it all depends on how one views abortion and interperts the constitution.

 

Red to blue, flip-flop....don't you know what you're saying, you contradicted yourself in one sentence.

What "good message" do TRAP laws send....that Republicans do NOT want adequate health care for the poor....that's a good message??? Maybe for Republicans and anyone who hates Americans but not anyone else.

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The Supreme Court interpreted it to mean women can get abortions.... YOU have nothing to say about it They made sure women's life and liberty were protected....