Is Trump a Fascist?

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Fascist or not?

  1. YES

    26.8%
  2. NO

    50.0%
  3. No, he just suffers from untreated Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    26.8%
  4. No, he's just a con man

    17.9%
  5. Maybe so

    5.4%
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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud or that the election was stolen from Trump. Trump was the only one who tried to steal the election. Trump's own staff told him this. The "he's too dumb to understand and he's actually so much of an idiot that he is daft enough to think he won" excuse won't stand in court.
     
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    I assume you too think 7000 sworn affidavits constitute nothing to see here.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You haven't read any of those affidavits. And we have thousands of sworn affidavits saying alien abductions are real, dude. Can you quote even one of those affidavits that supports your position? Why did you resist the urge to think critically about those 7000 affidavits?
     
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    Because I've heard of mail men delivering pallets of ballots across state lines. I've heard of stacks of "mail in ballots" with no creases. They weren't mailed in. That when you sign a sworn and signed under the pains and penalties of perjury, you probably have something to say. In 7000 of such affidavits, we're to believe that all the relevant people (judges) read through all of those and that not a single one peaked a judges interest? I don't think that is credible any more than that the number of mail in ballots thrown out due to errors dropped from about 3% per election to 1%. And a ton of other stats that make it very unlikely Biden legit won. With Covid over and everyone hating on Biden and missing the relative peace and prosperity of the Trump years, now they have plans to see it that Trump's name isn't on the ballots.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/w0d_OI8psQo/

    This really is the stuff of Fascism.

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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yes. You heard braindead conspiracy theories that you can't actually substantiate and are incapable of discussing. Yes, using lies like this to excuse Trump's attempt to overthrow democracy is ABSOLUTELY the stuff of fascism.
     
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    Fascism describes a high level of partnership between corporate and state that has existed in the US long before Trump was in politics.
     
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    Which doesn't mean TFG isn't a fascist. In fact, success in a fascist system pretty much requires a person to be a fascist, wouldn't you say?
     
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    If success in a fascist system = fascist, then so are Clinton, Bush, Obama and Biden, not to mention senators and congresscritters. Which I figure is accurate. But the focus on Trump now... kinda seems more like the fascist establishment are worried about him in particular.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I've got a (bad) habit of answering everyone at once, so my response to you, altho fairly inconsequential was deleted because it included a response to a person whose avatar is white nationalist/supremacist and I should have called him a Putin ally rather than "stooge" to past muster.
    I think I said something on the order he has the Mussolini syndrome and thankfully he has no control over the judicial system.

    Less confused now.....you like Trump.

    My bad for misreading your post. I know you find it inexcusable, but have pity.

    BTW engaging with the loony right may be fun if you have time to waste
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Can you explain what is the "fascist system" and the "fascist establishment" we are currently under and why few recognize it as such?
     
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    The FBI altering a document to lie to a FISA court so they can spy on the opposing candidate, signing off on another document to cover the laptop story, getting people fired if they don't take the clot shot? Throwing all sorts of garbage indictments at your opponent in the hopes of keeping his name off the ballot? That is Fascism and an attack on our Democracy. Telling people to go peacefully protest the apparently stolen election is called something else. It's called speech.
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    My saying that "you have no excuse" for thinking something, is not the same, as saying that I find it unforgivable. I had merely been pointing out that my own text had given you no valid reason, for your error; IOW, the mistake was due solely to your own negligent reading.

    That said, when your comprehension
    continues to be this sloppy, once again, and it is not the first time that this has happened, so that it seems more an habitual misreading, rather than an isolated mistake, it does challenge my sense of charity.

    I am not Jesus. It would be helpful, to your desire to be excused for your careless errors, if you actually seemed to have any regret for your off base replies; just a little contrition, goes a long way.



    This remark of yours, on its face, seems only a random, non sequitur, and inapplicable comment. That is, it appears it may intend suggest, that you think that I don't engage with the "loony right"-- which could not be farther from the truth. But perhaps I am misreading your remark because, unlike my comment about DeSantis, your meaning here, is a bit vague.
     
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    That picture of him should be used for every single Republican's campaign ad.

    I can't decide if he looks more like Hitler or Anton LaVey giving a sermon from the altar at the Church of Satan
     
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    Fascism is a partnership between the state and corporate entities. If you dont see an incestuous relationship between corporations and our elected officials, corporate influence in our public policy, and captured regulators solidifying monopoly for big business in a vicious cycle that makes the rich richer and the powerful moreso, then what ARE you paying attention to? If you wanna label Trump 'fascist' for the four years he spent not doing much about it, thats fair, but so too must be considered all the other elected officials that tolerate and perpetuate -and have been for decades- the growth of this politi-corporate fascist machine.
     
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    The common element between Biden and Hitler is the anger, and wanting to fight as many people and nations as possible.

    On the campaign he wanted a fight with a factory worker in Detroit, that alone should have revealed how stupid he is, and angry.
    And now he doesn't just want to destroy Russia, taking out much of Ukraine in the process, but also China and Iran and
    N. Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Somalia, Syria, dang, just go through the alphabet.

    Same problem as Hitler, he could have allied with a lot of the countries he fought.
     
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    Not really. Authoritarian regimes do not tolerate failure. TFG failed in a large way, whether you think the election was stolen or legit. I'm not particularly attached to the democrat party, so calling them fascists doesn't bug me as much as it would some others.
     
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    What was the failure?
     
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    func isTrumpFascist(likeTrump bool) bool {
    return likeTrump
    }
     
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    But but..... He found a YouTube video to prove it of some random ass nobody
     
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    If you disagree with anything in the fairly short video, you are of course, welcome, to try to debunk those points.

    And Bill Clinton's former Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich, hardly qualifies, as a "random ass nobody."
     
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    If Trump was a facist, he would have had the military start dragging off all the democrats to jail permanently and ensured his absolute power. Also, anyone protesting it would just disappear. But if by facist you just mean, he uses strong words and you don't like him. Then yes, I guess I that definition he is a facist. It makes sense though since the left sees words equivalent to violence.

    When it comes to the actual use of facist tactics in the USA, ANTIFA ironically wins at being the most facist.
     
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    Do you somehow not realize that there is a difference between the things Trump did, and the things he wanted to do? So why didn't he do them? Because we don't live in a fascist dictatorship.

    Or is your point that a person who is, to the depths of his soul, has fascist sentiments, and who actively strives to manipulate a country's entire political system, to give himself unlimited powers, nevertheless, prior to actually achieving the overthrow of the former regime, thereby allowing himself to act out all his fascist urges, is a person who we cannot truly, call a fascist? Because that would be a batshit crazy position. One does not have to be a fascist leader, in order to have a fascist philosophy, demeanor, or perspective. Nor does one need to live in a fascist nation. We are talking about Trump's objectives, his desires, which still exist, even if he has not yet created the conditions in which he could fully live out his envisioned, ideal life.
     
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    Is he POTUS? He tried to be, but lost his bid. His current one will fail as well.
     
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    The lefts TDS perspectives on Trump's desires are just obsurd and not relevant to a real discussion.
     
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  25. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I love your sense of humor.
    The BTW was about attempting to reason with ideologues.

    I think what you are referring to are the dangers inherent in attempting to control capitalism. You probably prefer anarcho-capitalism, but that leads to social Darwinism.

    Thank you for the thoughtful response.
     

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