Islam is hopeless part II

Not at all. It's well known all over the world, for 1400 years, upon what basis Muslim marauders have done their vile, unparalled killing of 270 million people. It's the Koran. All of a sudden now we need to question what their motives are ? Not unless we're dumb enough to fall for a ploy like you just fruitlessly tossed to us.

Terrorists the world over, after being interviewed by counterterrorism officials, and inquired about motive, all consistently repeat the same answer > the Koran. What else is new ?

 

The only thing you ever debunk is yourself. Of that, you do a good job.

 

And in each case they are overwhelmingly ignorant about Islam; ie the theoretical and theological study on the subject that is over a thousand years old. They almost always derive their radical notions from purely modern interpretation. By your logic, Christians are the most violent people in the world. Certainly Europe, the home of the thirty years war, 2 world wars and world imperialism, if you take the notion of collecting history into one big brush and using it to paint the present, should be more feared than Islam, whose imperialistic days had ended by the dawning of the age of reason.

 

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders. ....

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it....
http://www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen2.htm

 

Response: My misspelling of a word is due to spell checker on my phone, while your inability to make sense in logic is due to being....senseless. Come back when you can make sense.

 

Response: Yet the words "dwell around you" does not mean "peacefully" in any dictionary on the planet. So not only have you failed to disprove the fact that islam is a religion of peace, but you've once again demonstrated further impotence, by failing to compregend simple basic english. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

Response: Only in the eyes of the delusional. Thanks for clarifying.

 

So that's all you have to say, okay let's read the suras together; Sura 9.13 "Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths ?[/b], plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!"

You said Mohammed was not reprimanding the Christians, Jews and other Muslims for refusing to obey him to fight, either Mohammed is talking to himself or you missed the question marks "?" Mohammed is accusing the other side whoever they are because Sura 9:13 didn't say who it was that Mohammed was accusing of violating their oath?

So who was Mohammed accusing of violating their oath and who was Mohammed addressing to fight and why was he insisting his audience?

If Mohammed's audience were being attack they don't need Mohammed to tell them they would already have their swords and started to fight the invaders, they refuse to fight because there was no invaders.

That is why the people that Mohammed was talking to would not fight that is why the question marks "?" or If we accept that Mohammed was talking to Christians, Jews and Muslims of Medina and accusing the Meccans and their allies of violation their oath either way the people that Mohammed was addressing were refusing his orders to fight or to wage war. So, what did Mohammed did he claim that it was Allah that was ordering them to fight not him, still the people refuse to believe.

As you can see, it wasn't the other side who broke any oath it was Mohammed who broke the oath with the Meccans and with Allah that is why the people he was addressing were refusing to follow him. Sura 9:13, sura 9:29 are actually ordering Muslims to attack first.

Nowhere in the Quran or Hadith mention anything that the Meccans, Christians or Jews attack first. Please show me any verse that state that the Meccans, Christians or Jews attack first

Now let us look at Sura [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Now, Mohammed is insisting they fight in the name of Allah, they must fight now, tomorrow and forever. Notice how Mohammed always attach Allah with his own name "Allah and His Apostle". 9:29 is now saying that they can stop fighting is the other side submit to Islam or if they pay tax or tribute as a sign of subjugation. Mohammed has put a tag price on Allah's revelation in direct violation of 5:44 Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah , and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

Now you see, Sura 9:13 has nothing to do with self defence it was Mohammed who want war, if it was self defence the verse need not use the question mark "?" it would have been written "the Meccans and their allies are approaching with their armies destroying and killing, to arms! to arms! my brethren!"

There exist no urgency or real danger the people knew that, that was why Mohammed was desperate that he kept pushing the Medinians to fight.

Because Sura 9 and most of the Suras from 622 - 632 AD are of Mohammed vision and not Allah's that is why too much contradiction and make no sense.

Today, majority of Muslims are followers of Mohammed not Allah's followers.

Thanks to modern technology, informations are now travelling faster and reaching around the world the number of Mohammedans are slowly seeing the truth.

 

It could actually. How about:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

or

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

or

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

or

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

or

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

or

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

or

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

 

You havent got a clue mate.

"The powerful merchants tried to convince Muhammad to abandon his preaching by offering him admission into the inner circle of merchants, and establishing his position therein by an advantageous marriage. However, he refused.[72]

Tradition records at great length the persecution and ill-treatment of Muhammad and his followers.[12][14] Sumayyah bint Khabbab, a slave of a prominent Meccan leader Abu Jahl, is famous as the first martyr of Islam, having been killed with a spear by her master when she refused to give up her faith. Bilal, another Muslim slave, was tortured by Umayyah ibn Khalaf who placed a heavy rock on his chest to force his conversion.[76][77]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

"The Meccans took alarm that the Prophet might soon move beyond their reach, and they decided to put a violent end to him on a particular night. At this point, the Prophet received God's command to leave Mecca, and it so happened that the night fixed for his departure was the one that his opponents had chosen for their murderous designs."
http://www.alislam.org/library/zafar/exampler.html

Yes, Muhammad "started" when the Qurayshi clan leaders decided to assassinate him. I see your logic.

 

Response: To the contrary, neither the word "reprimand" or anything synonymous to it is mentioned in the verse. So you either lack the ability to comprehend simple basic english, or insist on advocating what is clearly absurd for our entertainment. Either or, neither proves that islam is not a religion of peace. Debunked again.

Response: The words of the Qur'an are the words of Allah, not Muhammad. Secondly, the verse mentions nothing about any oaths being violated, as the word "oath" clearly is non-existent in the verse. Another demonstration of your inability to comprehend simple english, not violence in islam. Debunked.

Response: Yet the clear words saying that the non-muslims were the ones who attacked first proves otherwise. Debunked again.

Response: Verse 9:13 clearly says that the non-muslims attacked first. Debunked again.

Response: The words of the Qur'an are the words of Allah, not Muhammad, as proven by the Qur'an challenge, which provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Thus stating that the verse is the command of Muhammad's and not Allah is debunked.

Response: Another failed rebuttal, as the verse clearly states that the non-muslims attacked first, while there is no verse in the qur'an ordering for muslims to attack first and verse 8:61 of the qur'an prohibits muslims to fight those who incline to peace. Thus the very context proves self-defense. Debunked as usual.

 

Stop humiliating yourself WanRen, its getting boring.

 

Matthew 5:38
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Galatians 3

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law

 

Yeah ? Well, maybe when Christian Europeans start flying airplanes into tall buildings and knocking them down, and into government buildings, this theory of yours might start gaining a little substance. And maybe when they start showing up with bombs attached to their underwear, and planted in cars, and walk into airport ticket counters and start blazing away like Hayadet in LA (2002) and Nidal Hasan in Fort Hood killing 13 soldiers, and maybe when they even come remotely close to this list of Islamic terror attacks in the past 2 months > http://thereligionofpeace.com/ , you might begin to have a case. Until then, you're just another caseless Islamapologist tossing his rhetoric around. Ho hum. What else is new ?

And my logic (whatever you're perceiving or distorting that to be) in no way makes Christians the most violent people in the world. All the violence they and every other religion, nation, cult, and ideology all put together don't even come close to the 270 million innocent people killed by uncivilized, barbaric, Muslim savages.

 

"Dwell around you" most certainly DOES mean peacefully, because unless it states anything about not being peaceful, there is no basis to assume non-peacefulness, therefore the peaceful assumption is rock solid. You are 100% wrong, and you stand corrected. Nice try though.

So you've once again demonstrated further incompetence, by failing to comprehend simple basic English. (Note how I corrected all the simple basic English that you butchered so badly). Thanks for the confirmation. LOL.

 

The thread readers thank me also, and you what they're thanking me for. You know. LOL.

 

Originally Posted by MegadethFan View Post
It could actually. How about:

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT).....

Interesting how Islamapologists invariably go off topic and turn to talking about Chrisitianity in a thread specifically about Islam. Then they go furhter away from Islam by noting Dueteronomy (700 yeras before birth of Christ)

Want to talk about Christianity and Dueteronomy ? Hit the New Thread button.

 

I'm making plenty of sense, but you can keep pretending that I'm not. There's no law against it. LOL.

 

All OFF TOPIC. All IRRELEVANT.

 

So violence is measured in 'flying airplanes into buildings'? Sorry you didnt refute crap. You just showed your prejudice.

Why only then would I have a case?

How so?

Of course it doesn't - because you have no logic. If you applied your argumentation to other facets of history one would come to the conclusion that the West is hell on earth, which I do not believe it is, and they would also conclude that Christianity is by far the most dangerous ideology ever contrived, which I do not believe it is. But that's the thing - you only apply the 'oh its all evil' nonsense to Islam. You yourself are probably a Christian and have probably only become 'concerned' about Islam generally after 9/11. Your position is childishly ignorant to say the least.

bahaha how did you get that figure? Let me guess: A Muslim had aids, therefore aids is a weapon of Islam, therefore all aids victims are victims of Islam. haha so crazy its hilarious.

 

Do not ignore the Old Testament:

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35



Law Contradictions of the Bible:

10) Shall we obey the law? Romans 13:1-7 says quite clearly that Christians are to submit to the law and regard it as the institution of God. 1 Peter 2:13-14 “Submit your self to every ordinance of man ... to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors.” Matthew 22:21 “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.” Also see Titus 3:1. Matthew 23:2-3 & Ecclesiastes 8:2 This leads one to assume that Christians must and should obey the law, yet look at these verses which contradicts what I just sited. Acts 5:29 “We ought to obey God rather then men.” Exodus 1:17-20 shows God punishing the midwives for following their rulers instead of God. Also see Daniel 3:16-18, 6:7-10, Acts 4:26 & 27, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 23:11, 24 & 33-35 which all say the law should be ignored. Now we know why Christians get away with their selective morality so often.

11) Should we steal? (Exodus 20:15 & Leviticus 19:13) Stealing is absolutely forbidden. Yet, Exodus 3:21-22, 12:35-36 & Luke 19:29-34 all promote stealing.

12) Should we judge? Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:1-2: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.” Also see Luke 6:37 & 1 Corinthians 5:12. Now take a look at “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Also note 1 Corinthians 5:12 & 6:2-4.

1 3) Should we covet? Exodus 20:17 says, “Thou shalt not covet . . . anything that is thy neighbor’s,” while 1 Corinthians 12:31 says, “Covet earnestly the best gifts.” So, are we or are we not to covet?

14) Is lying okay? Exodus 20:16. Proverbs 12:22 & Revelations 21:8 all say lying is forbidden. Joshua 2:4-6, Exodus 1:18-20 & 1 Kings 22:21-22 all support lying.

15) Can we kill? Exodus 20:13 says “thou shalt not kill”. Exodus 32:27, Numbers 31, and THOUSANDS of other verses show God commanding us to kill.

16) Can we own slaves? Leviticus 25:45 “Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy … and they shall be your possession… they shall be your bondmen forever.” Genesis 9:25 “And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” Exodus 21:2 & 7 “If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing… And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.” Joel 3:8 “And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.” Luke 12:47-48 [Jesus speaking] “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.” Colossians 3:22

“Servants, obey in all things your masters.” So obviously the Biblical God thinks slavery is right, right? Just look at these: Isaiah 58:6 “Undo the heavy burdens... let the oppressed go free, ... break every yoke.” Matthew 23:10 “Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.” (Also see Exodus 22:21 & 21:16) Let it be known here that pro-slavery Bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than cited here. I simply do not have the room to post all of them.

17) What about Improvidence? Improvidence is enjoined in Luke 12:3 “Sell that ye have and give alms.” also in Luke 6:30 & 35 “Give to every man that asketh of thee, and of him that taketh away thy goods, ask them not again ... And lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward shall be great.” Also note Matthew 6:28, 31 & 34. Improvidence is condemned in I Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. “ Also see Proverbs 13:22.

1 What does the law say about anger? Ephesians 4:26 says “Be ye angry and sin not not.” Anger is disapproved in Ecciesiastes 7:9 “Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry; for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.” Proverbs 22:24 “Make no friendship with an angry man.” Also see James 1:20.

19) Are we to let our good works be seen? Matthew 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works.” This contradicts verse Matthew 6:1 , “Take heed that you do not your alms before men, to be seen of them.”

20) Should we pray in public? 1 Kings 2:22, 54 & 9:3 shows the Lord is joyed by public prayer and listens intently. Matthew 6:5-6 condemn public prayer and command people keep it a secret.

21) Can we wear long hair? Judges 13:5 & Numbers 6:5 encourages people to grow their hair and insists it is a source of strength. 1 Corinthians 11:14 calls long hair a “shame”.

 

22) Should we circumcise males? Genesis 17:10 “This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised. Clearly this demands circumcision, yet Galatians 5:2 says “Behold, I Paul, say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.”

23) Are there certain kinds of foods we should not eat? Deuteronomy 14:2-8 lists several animals that we are NOT to eat because they are “unclean”, “chew the cud” and “divide the hoof”. Yet Genesis 9:3 & 1 Corinthians 10:25 insists there is nothing we can’t eat. Romans 14:14 says: “There is nothing unclean of itself.”

24) Can we take oaths? Numbers 30:2, Genesis 21:23-24, 31, 31:53 & Hebrews 6:13 says that we can take oaths and encourages it. Matthew 5:34 says “swear (make an oath) not at all.”

25) Can we get married? Genesis 2:18, 1:28, Matthew 19:5 & Hebrews 13:4 all insist marriage is honorable. Marriage is disapproved and scorned in 1 Corinthians 7:1 & 7:7-8.

26) Can we commit adultery? Exodus 20: 14 “thou shalt not commit adultery.” Also see Hebrews 13:4. Now look at Numbers 31:18, Hosea 1:2 & 2:1-3 where adultery is advocated by God.

27) Can we drink alcohol? Proverbs 31:6-7, 1 Timothy 5:23 & Psalms 104:15 all encourage drinking and intoxication. Proverbs 20:1 & 23:31-32 discourage drinking and intoxication.

2 Do women have rights? Genesis 3:16 “And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” 1 Timothy 2:12 says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man. 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 1 Peter 3:6 both say that women have limited rights and are under control of their men. Judges 4:4, 14-15, 5:7, Acts 2:18 & 21:9 all tell of powerful women who were not subjugated by men and were not punished for their authority of men.

29) Should we obey our masters with usurped authority? Colossians 3:22-23 & 1 Peter 2:18 says we should. 1 Corinthians 7:23 “Be not ye the servants of men.” Also see Matthew 4:10 & 23:10 which say we should not submit usurped to our masters.

30) Was the law of the Old Testament destroyed by Christ’s crucification? Luke16:16, Ephesians 2:15 & Romans 7:6 says that the old law is no longer binding. Yet Matthew 5:17-19 and MANY other verses say that the old law is forever binding. If you want to see the many verses that command we follow the old law please consult the upper portion of this page.

31) Should we swear an oath? Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath…he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.” Genesis 21:22-24 & 31 “…swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me…And Abraham said, I will swear…Wherefore he called that place Beersheba [“Well of the oath”]; because there they sware both of them.” Hebrews 6:13-17 “For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself…for men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability ofhis counsel, confirmed it by an oath.” See also Genesis 22:15- 19, Genesis 31 :53, & Judges I 1 :30-39. So apparently it is okay to swear an oath, we even do this on the Bible in American courts. Just try and forget these verses: Matthew 5:34-37 “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven…nor by the earth…Neither shalt thou swear by thy head…But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

James 5:12 “…swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

32) Do we keep the Sabbath? Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.” Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.” Numbers 15:32-36 “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.” Each of these contradict Isaiah 1:13 “The new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity.“ John 5:16 “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day. “Colossians 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days.”

33) Should we make graven images? Exodus 20:4 “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven…earth ... water.” Leviticus 26:1 “Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone.” Deuteronomy 27:15 “Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image.” Okay, I got it I shouldn’t produce a thing in fear of making a graven image, but wait: Exodus 25:18 “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.” I Kings 7:15-16 & 23-25 “For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass…and two chapiters of molten brass…And he made a molten sea…it stood upon twelve oxen ... [and so on]”

34) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment and says the Old Testament must be enforced: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

Taken from : http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

 

How so mate?

 

Why? I am making the point that quoting the Qurna out of context can be easily done with the Bible to show that Christianity and Judaism are FAR more violent. Since most of you guys are Bible-bashers, lovey dovy about Jesus, its a good line of argument to wake you up from your stupidity.

 

You always talk about others. But I never see these people. Why is that?