Islam is hopeless part II

How so mate?

It is ENTIRELY relevant. It goes to analysis of Islam by Islamophobes such as yourself. None of them apply the same standard of analysis to Christianity, which reveals their bias.

 

And what I have written is ENTIRELY RELEVANT TO ITS ANALYSIS. SORRY YOU DONT LIKE BEING REFUTED, BUT IT MUST BE DONE.

I have explained the relevance.

 

But this info is evidence as to how your analysis of Islam is flawed and biased. Get it?

It isnt a new topic.
You'll just have to grow up and get used to the fact I'm not going away and I can still easily refute EVERYTHING you write as I always have.

 

Yep "educate" me by just giving links. Pathetic. You know when you are in a debate you cant just spell out websites to prove a point - you have to actually give the evidence yourself.

But in order to enlighten you I'll go through and refute the claims of each.

First link:
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/

The problem with the argumentation is that none of these (or most of them) are attributable to Islam as a religion. They have far more to do with socio-political history, like political warfare etc. The slave trade in Africa, for example, had been in place BEFORE Islam spread to its Western peripheries. To attribute tribal warfare to Islam would then lead one to question why the same warfare had continued before Islam came to the region.

"According to Dr. Kimani Nehusi, the presence of European slavers affected the way in which the legal code in African societies responded to offenders. Crimes traditionally punishable by some other form of punishment became punishable by enslavement and sale to slave traders.[61] According to David Stannard's American Holocaust, 50% of African deaths occurred in Africa as a result of wars between native kingdoms, which produced the majority of slaves.[59] This includes not only those who died in battles, but also those who died as a result of forced marches from inland areas to slave ports on the various coasts.[62] The practice of enslaving enemy combatants and their villages was widespread throughout Western and West Central Africa, although wars were rarely started to procure slaves. The slave trade was largely a by-product of tribal and state warfare as a way of removing potential dissidents after victory or financing future wars.[63]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Human_toll

"Slavery has been rife throughout all of ancient history. Most, if not all, ancient civilizations practiced this institution and it is described (and defended) in early writings of the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Egyptians. It was also practiced by early societies in central America and Africa. (See Bernard Lewis's work Race and Slavery in the Middle East1 for a detailed chapter of the origins and practices of slavery.)"
Read more here:
http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/a/IslamRoleSlavery01.htm

Note how it was tribal, not religious warfare that saw the slave trade endure.

The other 'tolls' are allotted into specific religions (using the same pro-Christian book throughout no less) which I cant investigate easily., However for the 'Hindu' death toll I did find an online version of of the source, which is contested. Wikipedia notes:

'His [Lal's, the guy who got the 80 mill figure] work has come under criticism by historians such as Simon Digby (School of Oriental and African Studies) and Irfan Habib for its agenda and lack of accurate data in pre-census times.'
Also:
'Critics of the "Religion of the sword theory" point to the presence of the strong Muslim communities found in Southern India, modern day Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and western Burma, Indonesia and the Philippines coupled with the distinctive lack of equivalent Muslim communities around the heartland of historical Muslim empires in South Asia as refutation to the "conversion by the sword theory".[7] The legacy of Muslim conquest of South Asia is a hotly debated issue even today.'

This link: http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html
Is just way too long for me to even read through, so if you want to use it for argumentation you'll have to cite the specific links or info that backs up the 270 million claim.

The last link had no historical material. It was interesting to note parallels to antisemitism in its use of pictures of rats along the webpages sides. Quite disturbing.

 

EXACTLY! Thank you for pointing that out.

 

Actually he is right on the money. Your failure to debate consistently and apply a principled standard of analysis or discussion is rather blatantly apparent.

 

This thread exceeds the 500 post limit and shall be closed. If anyone would like to start a "Part III", they may do so.

Thanks to all who participated in debate and especially the civil posters.

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