Islam spreads to South America

"Small margins above the halfway point in a few countries does not equal "most Muslims.""

"Most" means more than half. That would include 51%, and most of the countries in the Pew poll were in this category. Pretty convincing.

I never said there wasn't any good in the Koran, however I think that the good that's there was placed there as part of the overall con job to con Muslims into believing that the Koran was the word of God, rather than a con jobbing despicable thug (Mohammed), who did all this to control them.
Nevertheless, whatever the motives may have been, it's good that the good parts of the Koran are there. Problem is, those good parts are cancelled out by the bad parts which seek to destroy all that is not Muslim, and seeks world domination. The Koran is in serious need of REFORM, and only Muslims can do that. They need to remove the bad pages so that the good ones can shine, as they should. Trouble is there's not many Muslim voices calling for Reformation. Christians did that 500 years ago. Muslims haven't.

Christianity may have been spread by conquering, but Christ did not say to go conquer to spread Christianity. When it has spread by conquering, that was the words & actions of others, not Christ. Islam (ie. the Koran), on the other hand, advocates, if not commands, conquest for its sake. Big difference.

 

Jews belief the Torah is the word of God.. Christians believe the Bible is the word of God.

 

It doesn't have one because the one that it has isn't really a moral/ethical creed. It is a con job to control Muslims, by getting them to think the Koran is the word of God, which disables anyone's ability to dissent against it. Clever those early Muslims, weren't they ?

The proof of what I just said is that the Koran has both good and bad suras. Many of these directly contradict each other. Think about it.

 

Losing your grip ? (resorting to name-calling). First sign of the loss of control when they begin to realize they are whipped.

The "context" argument is as old as the hills. Context or no context, the Koran is pages and pages of hatred, imperialist genocide, misogyny, pedophilia, etc.
Nothing could be dumber than trying to defend the Koran.

 

I am a Christian (in a general sense). I don't believe the Bible is the word of God. I believe it is the words of men. And some of it (like the story of Adam & Eve) is barely more than a fairy tale. Noah's Ark - another one. Just silly.

 

The questions are truly shallow, as in they teach primarily by their example - duh.

But just to get specific - as an example - to learn "Arabic by rote" is a serious discipline of the mind, and by learning their holy language it imparts a dynamic self respect and inclusion into the depths of their religious studies. It is note worthy to declare that Aramaic (a sister language of Arabic) was the language of Jesus, LINK.

A popular and correct religious teaching in Islam stemming from their language studies is that there is no "J" in the Hebrew, and the "J" was meant to be pronounced as a "Y" as per the German Roman Empire who first gave Jesus the "J", which means the real name of Jesus was "Yesu" or Yesus adding the extra "s" for pronunciation.

Since most of the planet earth views Islam as not just a "religion" but that Islam is one of the world's largest major religions with over a BILLION members - then that makes your declaration above as utterly absurd.

You can put your own definition as to what you say constitutes a real religion, but do not be overly surprised if no one else respects it.

Every religion and culture has some form of "Apartheid" (as you call it) against infidels which is why the USA has over 2 million people in our prisons and jails.

And in the USA we have what we call as a "sin tax" where we tax stuff like alcohol and tobacco and such infidel taxes too. And we are at wars now based on our intolerance of other cultures.

I particularly dislike the self-righteous American and Christian demands onto Muslims that the Muslim women need to take off their clothing in order to be free and liberated as are the undressed Christian American women.

So the only real aspect of Christianity which you truly do embrace is its intolerance of other religions, and its particular violent hatred of Muslims.

Reject what is right and accept the wrong parts.

 

You probably aren't aware that the ten commandments are part of the Koran.

You should read it straight thru rather than picking up blurbs from anti Islam sites.

Remember that it was Muslims who first translated the works of Aristotle into Arabic.. and those works are integrated into Islam ideals.

In fact, Muslims Scholars began working with Jewish scholars and Christians shortly thereafter to produce translations in Latin and Hebrew... Of course that was long before Isabella and Ferdinand.

 

So obviously you are skimming past some of this thread. Post # 47 for example. Try reading it, including the 6 links of examples of groups and millions of people who do not accept Islam to be a religion ( and it could have been 600 links).

As for your ludicrous statement > "the only real aspect of Christianity which you truly do embrace is its intolerance of other religions, and its particular violent hatred of Muslims." I'm becoming convinced that you are not only are a Muslim, but you are a jihadist Muslim, perhaps a member of one of the Muslim Brotherhood front groups. As for what I embrace of Christianity, I embrace the wonderful teachings of Christ, and I despise the evil in the world that Christ was so adverse to, and there is no greater evil in the world than Islam. And deep in your heart, smothered by your Islamic denial, you know that is true, right Mohammmed ? - or whatever your real name is. (didn't think you were going to fool us with that picture of that American-looking guy now did you ? And does he know you're using his picture ?)

 

None of this excuses Islam's 1400 year (still continuing) imperialist genocide and goal of worldwide caliphate. You can spout off Aristotle, algebra, early medical discoveries and whatever else, while the West was buried in the Dark Ages, but the bottom line is Islam is the Koran, and the Koran is hatred, mass murder, conquest, and all the other vile things that make up the abomination that is Islam.

 

PERFECT example of how a dhimmi thinks. Thank you for demonstrating how Christians are no longer willing to stand up to the ideology that has threatened them for 1400 years.

Appeasing Muslims is not going to work. They will see it as nothing more than a sign of weakness and turn the screws even more. The only thing they understand is force. It was true when they were defeated at the Gates of Vienna (the only thing that stopped them from totally conquering Europe), and it is true now.

Islam is NOT your "brother religion." In their own Holy Book, they are commanded to "kill the people of the book (Jews and Christians) wherever they are found." (Sura 9). Jews and Christians are given three choices when Muslims are in control in a Sharia society — 1) convert to Islam 2) submit as a dhimmi, which is a second class citizen under the protection of Muslims. Dhimmis must pay a special tax and treat Muslims with reverence, or else the protection ends. 3) go to war against Muslims. Heathens like me are not given a choice, we are just killed.

As for "self discipline"..



Look, some of your "brothers"!

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You obviously haven't read the Koran..

There is NO imperialist genocide or pedophilia...

Battles were fought against groups who attacked Muslims or broke treaties.

Ever heard of the Christians of Najran?

 

There is no doubt that you can produce 600 and more American and Christian bigotry links on the Internet, and that really drives home the point that you and your kind only accept the intolerance and bigotry of Christianity while hypocritically claiming otherwise.

It must be that seeing me as a white-man and an American then you expect me to share your racist and religiously bigoted beliefs and opinions - but I do not.

I like your name as "protectionist" because it is very representative of what you post, being that you are defensive and living in fear.

It is like Americans calling our opposition as "terrorist" because we are terrorized by the scary Muslims, being a dysfunctional emotional defensiveness.

 

You obviously are an Islamapologist and a blatant liar. Of course I've read the Koran. It commands imperialist genocide from cover to cover, and the last 1400 years has been the history of Muslims attacking and engaging in conquest.
I've already said these facts here quite a few times, you know it's true, and it's amazing that you would have the audacity to try to rewrite history in this forum, to suit yourself (but then Muslims routinely do that).

Do you really think you can erase 1400 years of history just by saying it isn't so ? What's next ? You want to tell us World War II didn't happen ? Want to say Osama bin Laden was a good guy ?

As for pedophilia, it started with Mo the pedophile himself (the creep who Muslims call the prophet). He married a 6 year old. And the Qur'an in verse 33:49 states that no 'Iddah is prescribed for a woman who has not had intimate contact with her husband, but goes on to stipulate the 'Iddah for pre-pubescent girls in verse 65:4, meaning: the holiest text of Islam supports marrying and having sex with prepubescent girls. This is definitive proof that the Qur'an endorses pedophilia, the most abominable of all sexual crimes.
(Source : Pedophilia in the Qur'an, WikiIslam, http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur'an)

 

Me, and my kind (protectionists of America), accept the reality of the bigotry and intolerance of Islam, the most bigoted and intolerant ideology the world has ever known.

"Racist and religiously bigoted". LOL. First of all Mohammed, Islam isn't a race, and Muslims belong to every race in the world. Secondly, Islam isn't a religion either, so opposition to the cancer of Islam has no connection to anything pertaining to race or religion. PS - the race card died out 17 years ago with the OJ Simpson trial. Hadn't you heard ? LOL.

Well, you got one thing right. The name protectionist indeed does have a connection to defensiveness and fear. It is the defense of the American people, based on the very real, and very legitimate fear of all the Islamic jihadists, who are actively working to overthrow the US government, abolish the US Constitution, and replace it with an Islamic caliphate, based on the Koran and its Sharia law. This has been documented by both Al Qaeda in Osama bin Laden's 2002 "Letter to the American People" and the Muslim Brotherhood's 1991 Explanatory Memorandum...for North America, discovered by the FBI in 2005, and declassified in the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas terrorist funding trial in 2007 & 2008.

The key words from it are :

"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).

 

Aisha wasn't a child.. She was 17 when she married Muhammed.

Which translation of the Koran did you read?

Iddah is a three month period of waiting before a woman can remarry.. to make sure she isn't pregnant.

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

Concerning age of Aisha at marriage.

 

It is people with ideas as yours which start wars.

While it is people like myself who stop the wars.

 

Wrong.. It lays down the rules for defensive war..

Muslims are not permitted to kill women, children and old people.. They are not allowed to kill livestock or destroy water sources, homes, trees or crops.

And, they are commanded to go to the peace table as soon as the enemy indicates they are willing.

So now everyone knows that you haven't read the Koran.

 

The things that you try to get away with here are simply incredible. So now we're going to her that Aisha was 17. Pheeeeeeww !! (high-pitched whistle) Any more ludicrous statement you'd like to make ? The South won the Civil War ? Ants are bigger than horses ?
California is on the US East coast ?

Earth to Margot (and anyone else dumb enough to believe the nonsense you say) : Aisha was 6 when she was married to Mohammed, and 9 when she went to live with him. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, and they have known it for thousands of years, and you are not going to come along in here and rewrite history.

WARNING to all Political Forum readers - realize that Muslim jihadists (like Margot) will always advance false information to try to excuse Islam's uncivilized, barbaric behavior, and that in Islam, they have "taqiyya" which gives them the right to LIE, as long as it advances the cause of Islam (ie. to conquer everyone on earth and make everyone submit to a worldwide Islamic caliphate).

The key Hadith sections about Aisha because they are pretty clear (remember when you are reading that Mohammad was 51 when Aisha was 6):


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Pretty straightforward, right? From Aisha's own words, she was 6 when they married and 9 when they consummated the marriage. Child brides are one thing, but consummation at 9 years old is another.

"Yes. Muhammad was undoubtedly a pedophile." (WikiIslam - http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Was_Muhammad_a_Pedophile?)

http://www.sillyallah.com/2007/10/mohammads-pedophilia.html

All that really needs to be said is IT DOESN"T MATTER if Mohammed was a pedophile or not. Of course he was, but what is far more important is that the Koran advocates pedophilia, it therefor e is a fundamental part of the abomination of Islam,, and hundreds of millions of Muslim uncivilized, barbaric, savages engage in the practice as if it were normal. To them (based on the Koran's OK-as I previously showed) it is acceptable. Just more evidence added to the mountains already compiled of why this awful ideology MUST BE STOPPED.

 

Aisha was 17.. she was born before the Hijra..

Have you ever been out of Podunk or do you just haunt soundbites?

 

Wrong. Everyone knows I have read the Koran, and never needed to, and have read history as you seem to need to, and you are a foolish liar about the Koran's contents. Not allowed to kill livestock ? LOL. My Muslim neighbors (criminally) kill their sheep and goats every year on Eid al Adha, as do millions of other Muslim savages. So do millions of other Muslims all around the world. Every year millions of peaceful, innocent goats and sheep are killed in cold blood by these uncivilized, barbaric savages.

A picture says a thousand words : http://www.google.com/search?q=eid+...&ei=OudbToKRH8q_tgeflP2VDA&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQsAQ

What you are talking about is the sanitized American version of the Koran (the Ali) translation, but even that Ali translation says that Muslim husbands can beat their wives (in sura 4:34), and even Islamapologist Muslim Brotherhood front group CAIR doesn't deny it.

As for the women, children, and old people, did the jihadists check out the World Trade Center on 9/11 for that ? Nope. Did Major Hasan Nidal observe that when he killed 13 US troops in Fort Hood, TX, and wounded 38 more ? 8 of the victims were women. And when Hezbollah shells Israel, are their rockets specially made to avoid hitting women, children and old people ? And the bombs of Hamas suicide bombers ? And the bombers in the USA ? Answer to all questions is of course not. The Koran says to kill all "infidels". That's what Muslims are commanded to do. That's what they've been doing all over the world for 1400 years, including 2011.

 

That's a lie. And a common one. Ho hum.

 

Yeah ? Well then why don't you go out and stop the "holy war" (AKA Islamic jihad) that Muslims all over the world are waging against non-Muslims, apostates, homosexuals, innocent animals on Eid al-Adha, Jews, and everyone else they designate as their enemies ? Lots of luck.

 

Hahahahaha... and Thanksgiving Turkeys are innocent too.

 

At least Thanksgiving turkeys are eaten for survival. Eid al-Adha animals are needlessly murdered for no good reason whatsoever. Doesn't always happen that way though. In one case, a Muslim tried to go after a goat with 2 15" horns (like bayonets). The goat first ran from him but then turned around and, with lightning speed, suddenly gored the creep right in the heart. He died instantly. One less Muslim murderer in the world. Way to go, goat !

 

Eid Al Aadha is a feast just like Thanksgiving or Christmas.... The meat is eaten by the family and shared with the poor.

Your story is interesting, but Muslims who do the slaughtering are generally very skilled.. and calm the animal before killing it quickly.. as required to be Halal.

Have you ever had dinner in a bedouin camp?? I have and so have my father and brothers.