Islamists stone and shoot dead mother and daughter

So its our faulth that these animals act like animals? Its their seventh century Satanic murder cult and the accompanying system of unjust law that is highly permissive of cruel treatment of everyone. WE had nothing to do with them being brutal Islamonazi losers.

 

80 percent of what your buddies kill are their own population.

80 percent of Afghan and Iraqi casualties come from Terrorists / Islamic Jihadists, tough luck eh.

 

Yes, in the 1970s they had a relatively progressive government. Women were getting educated, going to university. The bride price was abolished. The marriage age for women was raised to 16. A lot of women worked, in Universities, private corporations, the airlines and as doctors and nurses.

But America backed the reactionaries who were fighting progress and the Russians went in to try to restore order. After the Russians left the Taliban, created by America and Pakistan to take over Afghanistan eventually took power. Then women had to wear the burqa and womens rights were smashed.

So yeah, America backed the reactionaries who cause all this outrageous treatment of women.

 

Nice revision (by omission) of history. You conveniently forgot the bloody military communist coup in 1978, the torture, murders and persecution of thousands of political opponents and minorities, Human Rights watch estimated 100K people were murdered, repressions, civil war, the formation of the mujahadeen movement in response to the communist rule and the Soviet invasion to rescue the communist government of Afghanistan. Do you think in the middle of the cold war the US should have let the Russians stay in Afghanistan? Do you think Afghanistan had progressive forces the US could rely on to fight the invasion?

It's kinda easy to be an armchair general or politician, especially if you 'forget' the inconvenient parts of history that do not fit into your 'It's all America's fault' narrative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan#Contemporary_era_.281973.E2.80.93present.29

 

Always remember how deeply committed 'Israel' and America are to the lives of Islamic people, and admire the astounding alternative history in which they selflessly live. We are priviledged to share a word with such creative fantasists!

 

I'm just stating facts. Women's right were far better then. There was a coup yes, it was partly a pre-emptive strike, because the middle class and army officers who led the coup feared that the dictator was gonna kill them. It was also because they wanted to bring Afghanistan into the modern world.

Where do you get 100,000 from exactly? What does it include. Please link sources.

Afghanistan had long been part of the soviet sphere of influence. The soviets helped the previous dictator get into power. They werent behind the 1978 one as far as I know. They probably would have left after stabilising the situation if the Americans had kept out of it, though they could still have got bogged down for a long period. America just magnified the situation and millions have died all told.

The cold war was a sham invented by Truman for no real reason except it suited him, Stalin was desperately trying to be his ally. Stalin was more of an anti-communist than Truman.

ah, I see your support, citation needed, it may be true but it's not proven by that link.

 

America assisted the Mujahadeen in their fight against the Soviets.They did NOT, I repeat, did NOT help the Taliban. The Taliban, as a distinct group, came on the scene after the Russians left Afghanistan

The Taliban and Mujahadeen are two distinct groups, although obviously some of the Mujahadeen went over the Taliban after the Russians got kicked out.Anything else is just anti-American, anti-Western propaganda.

You have been found out!

 

Hilary Clinton admitted the USA created the Taliban

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she says we created the problem we are now fighting.

they were sort of separate to the muj yeah, but the US was involved in both.

Note that when the Taliban took over Afghanistan America did not complain.


see also

The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA….

http://rupeenews.com/usa/the-taliban-was-a-construct-of-the-cia-and-was-armed-by-the-cia/

“Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban…” Rohrabacher

"Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban."

"Dana Rohrabacher with the Taliban If this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb."

 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cKOtpFhbk.../s320/dana-rohrabacher-taliban-mujahideen.jpg

 

Your usual anti-American histronics. Here's an excerpt of the Afghanistan Soviet War from Wilkepdia. Can't see the Taliban mentioned anywhere, only the Muhahadden. What a surprise!

Date

27 December 1979 – 15 February 1989 (9 years, 50 days)



Location

Afghanistan



Result

Geneva Accords Withdrawal of Soviet forces
Afghan Civil War continues[1]




Belligerents



Mujahideen:
200,000-250,000[5][6][7][8]



Casualties and losses



Soviet:
14,453 Killed (total)[9]
9,530 killed in combat[9]
3,386 died from wounds[9]
1,556 died from disease and accidents[9]

53,753 Wounded[9]

312 Missing [10]

Afghan Government:

18,000 killed[11]

Mujahideen:
200,000-1 000,000 Killed (tentative estimate)[12]



Civilians (Afghan):
600,000-2,000,000 killed[13]

5 million refugees outside of Afghanistan

2 million internally displaced persons

Around 3 million Afghans wounded (mostly civilians)[14]

Civilians (Soviet):

Around 100 dead











The Soviet war in Afghanistan was a nine-year conflict involving the Soviet Union, supporting the Marxist-Leninist government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan[15] against the Afghan Mujahideen and foreign "Arab–Afghan" volunteers. The mujahideen received unofficial military and/or financial support from a variety of countries including the United States, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom.

 

Oh, so because a particular wikipedia article doenst mention the Taliban, Hilary Clinton doesnt know what she is talking about, and neither does Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who met the Talban, obviously. Rohrabacher initially supported the Taliban.

What else have we?

How about this

"LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.

"I warned them that we were creating a monster," Selig Harrison from the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars said at the conference here last week on "Terrorism and Regional Security: Managing the Challenges in Asia."

Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said.

Harrison, who spoke before the Taliban assault on the Buddha statues was launched, told the gathering of security experts that he had meetings with CIA leaders at the time when Islamic forces were being strengthened in Afghanistan. "They told me these people were fanatical, and the more fierce they were the more fiercely they would fight the Soviets," he said. "I warned them that we were creating a monster."

Harrison, who has written five books on Asian affairs and US relations with Asia, has had extensive contact with the CIA and political leaders in South Asia. Harrison was a senior associate of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace between 1974 and 1996.

Harrison who is now senior fellow with The Century Foundation recalled a conversation he had with the late Gen Zia-ul Haq of Pakistan. "Gen Zia spoke to me about expanding Pakistan's sphere of influence to control Afghanistan, then Uzbekistan and Tajikstan and then Iran and Turkey," Harrison said. That design continues, he said. Gen.Mohammed Aziz who was involved in that Zia plan has been elevated now to a key position by Chief Executive, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Harrison said.

The old associations between the intelligence agencies continue, Harrison said. "The CIA still has close links with the ISI (Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence)."

Today that money and those weapons have helped build up the Taliban, Harrison said. "The Taliban are not just recruits from 'madrassas' (Muslim theological schools) but are on the payroll of the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, the intelligence wing of the Pakistani government)." The Taliban are now "making a living out of terrorism." "
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/pak.htm

Basically Pakistan wanted the Taliban to take over Afghanistan and the US went along with it.

If you look at the reply below, someone is arguing that in fact the US was more involved than the article above suggests. He refers to this article

Afghan Taliban Camps Were Built by NATO
The New York Times August 24, 1998

http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/camps.htm

Here's a few more tit bits

"The U.S. government was well aware of the Taliban’s reactionary program, yet it chose to back their rise to power in the mid-1990s. The creation of the Taliban was "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," according to Selig Harrison, an expert on U.S. relations with Asia.44 "The United States encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to support the Taliban, certainly right up to their advance on Kabul," adds respected journalist Ahmed Rashid.45 When the Taliban took power, State Department spokesperson Glyn Davies said that he saw "nothing objectionable" in the Taliban’s plans to impose strict Islamic law, and Senator Hank Brown, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on the Near East and South Asia, welcomed the new regime: "The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at last seems capable of developing a new government in Afghanistan."46 "The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis. There will be Aramco [the consortium of oil companies that controlled Saudi oil], pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that," said another U.S. diplomat in 1997.47"

http://www.isreview.org/issues/20/CIA_binladen_afghan.shtml

Ahmed Rashid by the way wrote the only authoritative book in English on the Taliban, a Number 1 New York Times Bestseller, chosen as an "Outstanding" title in the 2000 Association of American University Presses

 

Whi is this Time Weiner?

 

I repeat that the Americans did not help the Taliban, but they did help the Mujahadeen. Period.