Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

I think you are over-valuing the threat. Yes, if Israel threw nearly all its military into Gaza and got bogged down, in street to street fighting, then this would present a real opportunity to Iran's proxy, Hezbollah. But that is not what is happening. Israel is giving deliberate consideration to their plan, before moving. Netanyahu wisely chose to form a Unity government, raising up the former Defense Minister and General, his chief rival, Benny Gantz, to aid in the planning. They are swelling the ranks of their military, with conscripts & by calling up Israeli citizens from around the world. They will certainly keep a sufficient number of troops stationed along their border with Lebanon, to be ready to defend it. Iran, of course, would need cross both Iraq & Syria, to get to Israel. After all the recent instability in Syria, it would not seem likely that Assad would be so reckless to attack Israel, especially knowing both that the U.S. would come to Israel's aid, and that Russia can hardly afford to spare any of its military resources, at the moment. Also, while Hamas's assault had been horrendous, it had been perpetrated mostly against civilians; and, certainly, among the cover of a dense urban environment, augmented with tunnels, they present a danger, not to be taken too lightly. But, in a straight out battle with an activated Israeli military, I am very dubious of their potential, as an invasion force. So, if need be, Israel could always pull away some of those forces, focused on Gaza, and still safely defend against Hamas attack.

 

Them hamas are trying to take over the world

 

You think you can lie and distort without any consequences but there always are and always will be, light will always win over dark and sooner or later ppl will have enough of your head shrining propaganda and drive you away like poison is drawn out.
Till then take comfort with your piece of **** friends, they are in for some very bad times.

 

You took some heads back in the days ?

 

I don't think it will be quick......

 

It doesn't look like baby's crib, but as I stated before Israel is justified to do what they need to do even if the beheading story is floated only to really the troops and garner for international backing (which Israel currently enjoys).

Its being done kill the Israel-Saudi Arabia deal. Looks like many Palestinians would rather murder civilians and then die themselves than see that deal come to fruition.

Looks like 'X' aka Twitter has become Hamas main propaganda outlet, posting all kinds of fake news and fake videos of Hamas shooting down scores of Israeli aircraft.

 

War crimes and atrocities should be investigated and those established through proper channels, not by virtue of war propaganda by either side and their partisans, should be punished. I can say more about the issue but some things are too obvious for anyone not trying to fan hatred and emotions to push their war propaganda. Suffice it to say I have heard accounts of suffering from both sides, from people certainly didn't deserve such suffering, and stories that showed heroism among the most tragic circumstances, to find myself tearful listening to them. One of the stories that moved me was from the experience of an Israeli-American teenager whose life was saved by heroism of his mom who shielded her son. But I have also felt such tears in the experience of many Palestinians who have been killed by Israeli forces. In this mix, I also am able to distinguish between credible claims and propaganda intended to pave the way for a side to commit atrocities of its own.

As for the immediate issue in this war, it does seem to me that the Palestinians will not be recieving much assistance from anyone as they suffer through the Israeli onslaught that is ongoing and which will accelerate soon. That is a shame on all those countries, including my own, who have done little to actually help these people and have done little to actually change the equation that has seen rather obnoxious and odious political forces and voices in Israel and the US gain even more strength and crediibility through the years. Many of Israel's strongest supporters in the US, and many of the figures in Israel who are now in prominence, are simply not the kind of people who give me any hope of the kind of world we are going to see in the future. And this goes well beyond the Palestinian issue or anything about the Middle East even. Already politics around the globe has been thoroughly corrupted by them and their tactics.

 

If Aristotle was Jewish these ppl would claim the world is flat, normal ppl - IMO - should always check for facts and rely on trustworthy proven sources, just because some ppl lie all the time it does'nt mean there is no truth in the world.

I think they planned it to be but were too successful with their carnage and it turned out to be much bigger than that

 

Your country has done enough to them, they should have normalized their lives but with your country support they chose Jihad, they attacked us after we increased 20,000 workers from Gaza into Israel. I wont repeat what they did.
Once again, just like in 1948, you chose war, the most brutal and barbaric kind of war, you chose it and you started it and now what? you deny it ? where is YOUR honor ?

 

I wasn't born when this conflict started and have a very different view about it than you. The honorable course to me involves either total capitulation or total war. By total capitulation I mean my country and all the countries in the region accepting they don't have the power to face up to the hegomonic forces behind what is Israel: Let them take as much property and draw the map as they wish and only ask they be allowed to live normal lives. By total war I mean all the countries in the region (all of whom, including then US/western allies such as Iran and Turkey) who rejected the UN partition plan and rejected the idea of a Jewish state in the region, to stand together united in the goal to bring this conflict to the cloest thing to what would be a just resolution. From my vantage point, a confederate Palestinian state composed of Israel as a Jewish state, Jerusalem as an automonous capital city of the confederation, West Bank and Gaza...

 

Actually, it is your way of arguing that is "lame". I submitted a post, a video, and a translation that proves those weapons come from Ukraine. But you ...... ho-ho, ignore all of it thus the fault (for ignorance on the matter) is yours, and yours alone. You have no choice but to admit it or find someplace to hide. I don't think "duck & cover" will be good enough but you can try.

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Yeah, that might work! Thanks for the suggestion, Destroyer of illusions!

 

LIVE UPDATEFROM THE LIVEBLOG OF THURSDAY,
OCTOBER 12, 2023

Likud minister: Trump’s ‘shameful’ comments show he can’t be relied on'

'Karhi told Israel’s Channel 13 that it is “shameful that a man like that, a former US president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel’s fighters and its citizens.”



cont
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...rm-israels-spirit-shows-he-cant-be-relied-on/

 

Not "us" but "you". I'll wager that if you ask the Jews who have been allotted a spot near the fence they will all say they didn't want to be "just there". You put them there ..... in harm's way. Why? Well, so you can "hide behind civilians as you always do...so you can cry foul when you get shot at."

 

They sure is! Them and Putin!

 

In "the good old days" when a scimitar was an instrument of honour, worn & wielded with pride. But these young jihadis don't have the stomach for it. All they talk about is guns and bombs and rockets and missiles. It's enough to dishonour not only the family but the whole village!

 

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp?ref=dakotafreepress.com
Hamas covenant says all we need to know about Hamas, it's intentions and it's morality.

""The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."

**** em. They fought. They lost. Repeatedly.

 

Syria says Israeli missiles hit Damascus, Aleppo airports
Reuters
October 12, 20239:04 AM EDTUpdated 26 min ago


DAMASCUS, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Syria said Israeli forces launched simultaneous missile attacks on the airports in its capital Damascus and the northern city of Aleppo on Thursday, damaging the runways and putting both hubs out of service.

A Syrian military source cited by state news agency SANA said "bursts of missiles" hit the two airports at the same time, in what he said was a bid to distract the world's attention from Israel's war with Hamas militants in Gaza'.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-targets-ale

 

25m ago / 9:08 AM EDT
American troops not being sent for hostages, White House says
Doha Madani

There are currently no plans to send American soldiers to Israel for hostage rescue operations, Jon Finer, deputy national security adviser, told MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"We are not contemplating U.S. boots on the ground," Finer said.

America experts are involved in advising Israelis on how to proceed, however, Finer noted. There are an estimated 100 to 150 people currently being held hostage by Hamas, officials have said, including missing American citizens.



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It's funny you should say that. My Imam was just talking about this very subject during the last Ramadan. I was really hungry so his words went deep into my heart. He said that Mohammad, may Allah praise his name, teaches us that we should respect the Jews but not the Zionists who have forsaken their own g_d. I agree with both of them. Don't you too?

 

Zionist back in 1948 simply meant a jewish state - jewish nationalism. Nothing wrong with Jewish people wanting a state that is all their own and of which is Jewish in identity, value, culture and beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

"From 1897 to 1948, the primary goal of the Zionist Movement was to establish the basis for a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and thereafter to consolidate it. In a unique variation of the principle of self-determination"

Oh the horror.

Arabs and specifically Palestinians...who didn't own claim to the land mind you...whom were just conquered by the British (WW1 was a bitch)...didn't want or accept a Jewish - only State. So they bitched, moaned and attacked them. Repeatedly through history and lost.

And those in Gaza are losing again. After having assaulted Israel and those visiting Israel.

Take the L.

 

It was shameful indeed. Israelis are NOT amused.

Trump says things he assumes his loyalists want to hear, and either

1. They want to hear him trash Israel at this time, or
2. He made a mistake assuming that was what they wanted to hear.

Either way, those comments were nothing short of idiotic.

 

Was the video supplied by you? I'd swear it was Destroyer of Illusions who'd offered it. Then you'd criticized my not having listened to the speaker. So I pointed out to you, he hadn't been speaking any language, with which I am familiar-- though I had answered to the significance of the, maybe, ten guns. After you did, finally, translate, I responded to that. I did not "ignore" it, or ignore anything, as you falsely accuse me of doing:

LOL-- you don't take losing very well, obviously. Not even like an adult. How many times do I have to explain to you, what most need no explanation to realize: *that just because somebody says "these guns are from Ukraine," does not "prove," that they are from Ukraine? And you didn't even say that he had claimed to be a member of Hamas, in Gaza, so how did you come to that conclusion? Again, though, the video maker's word, is not beyond doubting.

So your argument is that I'm to blame for not being fluent in all the world's languages? That is a lame argument-- but probably the best you can do, based on what I've seen. What language was that, anyway? It didn't sound like Arabic, to me. More like Russian.

 

That's the lie they sold anyone who'd listen, including me. But it's not true and you know it. And don't try to bluff me by saying "it's the true meaning". That argument cuts no ice. If I belittle you because you are 'gay' will you accept the fact that I am talking about "joy" and "delight"? Naw, you won't. So save the BS for someone who's blind and gullible.

 

Unique Hatred For Jews And Israel Among The Trendy Western Left
October 11, 2023/ Francis Menton

• 
  Among the trendy Left, and particularly on elite academic campuses, hatred of Israel, and by association of all Jews, has long been on the ascendant. The Anti-Defamation League traces the origins of the “Boycott, Divest, Sanctions” movement against Israel to the early 2000s.
  
  
• By the time we get to the most recent ten years, every elite academic institution has multiple student groups and scores of faculty members advocating for delegitimizing Israel as oppressors of the Palestinians, or even as an “apartheid state.”
  
  
• And thus the current wave of atrocities perpetrated by Hamas against Israel has brought out statements of support from some 30+ student groups at Harvard, from the Student Bar Association at NYU, from a group of students at Stanford, and many other such around the country.
  
  
• In the bigger picture, the treatment of Israel and Israeli Jews by Muslims is not at all unique.
  

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You contradict yourself so often that it ain't funny .... and I've got a good sense of humour too. You can try to dance your way out of it but you've got two left feet. Find some other subject where you know what you're talking about. Now scram.