Israel is a PROXY of the U.S. to control the Middle East

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  1. Zorro

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    It's worked very well in Vietnam.

    [​IMG]https://thediplomat.com › 2022 › 09 › why-vietnams-economic-future-is-bright-and-growing-brighter
    Why Vietnam's Economic Future is Bright - and Growing Brighter
    'Sep 29, 2022This week, the World Bank similarly revised its projection for Vietnam's economic growth from 5.3 percent to 7.2 percent, the highest figure for any nation in East and Southeast Asia....'
     
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    Maybe that’s because they don’t practice it in the same way as they do in China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and the old Soviet Union. Perhaps it’s because they don’t spend their time threatening their neighbors.
     
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    Exactly. It's a high trust, hard working thrifty population, and communism simply works for them. I know of no other positive example, but, when reality falsifies our views, we have to bow to reality, and communism is working quite well in Vietnam. That's simply a fact.

    So I've modified
    • Communism has never worked anywhere, to
    • Communism has never worked anywhere, but Vietnam.
     
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    Israel does not hold free and fair elections. It's a sham democracy
     
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    Some one else who doesn't know history
     
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    Except they don't have communism in Vietnam either.
     
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    That would not be scholars that would be ignorant tools. Those Canaanite groups married into the Israelite tribes including the Philistines to the extent that at the end of 6th century BC they had become the very people God told them to destroy.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Aaliyah (RIP) is proof that there is state discrimination that favours jewish ppl over all others. that is a sham democracy.
     
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    Isn't the USvdontrol of the middle east and its oil a good thing?
     
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    Israel is a PROXY of the U.S. to control the Middle East

    If you mean a close ally to the U.S. to control the Middle East, yes, definitely.
     
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    Sure, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam is head of the Politburo and the Central Military Commission and the de facto supreme leader of Vietnam, so, I'm not sure where the idea ever came from that Vietnam is a communist nation.

    The most powerful figure in Vietnam
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    Nguyễn Phú Trọng
    General Secretary of the Communist Party

    'Vietnam is a socialist republic with a one-party system led by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV).'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Vietnam
     
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    What resources has it stolen?
     
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    The whole world was very shameful in the treatment of people not of their ethnicity.
    After WW2, the USA would not allow them in because the lie floating around is they were communists.

    People are fearful of other ethnicities because of ignorance of their backgrounds.
     
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    The point was, the fear was unfounded.
     
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    It steals mostly oil, produce and minerals; click on the bottom link in post #1. The puppet presidents allow US companies to own mines, plantations and oil fields. They also let them control the tourist industries so most of the money spent by tourists goes to the foreign owners of the hotels—not only American owners. Acapulco Mexico is like that.

    "Get OUT now!" Syria tells U.S. to leave now and stop stealing its oil | Redacted w Clayton Morris
     
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    I dont need to click on a link. I have you to explain your position that the US steals oil. You can then use that link to back up whatever you claim in your response. That is how an intelligent conversation takes place.

    You say they have stolen oil. Whose oil has been stolen and when? I suspect you will probably point to some oil pumping contracts going to an American Oil Company or something similar, but that is not an example of stealing oil. It is an example of getting the contract to pump oil. This could be an inside sweetheart deal for them to get the contract, but that is NOT an example of the oil being stolen.
     
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    Here's an example.

    http://libyasos.blogspot.com.es/2012/03/intervention-and-exploitation-us-and-uk.html
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    Concessions on oil extraction is granted to two US oil companies. More companies would follow later.
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    1961:
    September - With the opening of a 167 km long pipe line, oil exportations start from Libya. US oil companies begin to reap huge profits, as do corrupt Libyan officials. Oil goes on to make a few in Libya very rich, but most of the populus do not benefit and remain poverty stricken. [1] [17]
    Libya increases its share of oil profits from 50% to 70%.
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    Oil extraction? Thats not stealing oil. Nor is oil being purchased via a pipeline for refinering an example of stealing either. Yes those refiners make a profit, no, they did not steal the crude.

    You are confused, and you probably would be well advised to stay away from such obscure links as "libyasosblogspot" if credibility is your goal.
     
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    What a mindless claim. Israel has zero control in the region. They don't even have influence. They just want a place where its safe to be Jewish. Those who really control the region don't let people live if they are Jewish, Christian, atheist, non-Muslim, or critical of religion/government.
     
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    I've lived outside of the US for about thirty three years now and I've spoken to a lot of people from the countries discussed in those links. What they've told me is consistent with that info and inconsistent with what the US media and education systems tell us. If that doesn't make you think this is worth looking into, I don't know what else to tell you. An objective person would investigate this.
     
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    So you dont have a link that says they have stolen the oil(as opposed to pumping rights or buying crude to refine to oil), but instead we are supposed to take your word that you have spoken with a lot of people making this claim.

    Are you being serious? You do realize that even your link ( as seedy as it is) does not back up your claim, do you not? US oil companies reaping profits from crude that they purchased and turned into oil does NOT equate to stealing that oil.

    I fully realize that there is an anti US sentiment out there that makes this claim constantly, but the claim has never been substantiated. It is just a hollow claim with nothing specific to back it up. I have had this conversation with people before on numoerous occassions. They never seem to produce anything of substance. It always points to p[umping rights or in this case, the outright purchase of crude. It is a bizarre characterization to call that stolen.
     
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    Not at all. You need to brush up on your history. In the end, when it came to killing people for political reasons, there is little difference between Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
     

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