Israel, Mired in Ideological Battles, Fights on Cultural Fronts

Defamation again... Let us analyse for a second what you are trying to disseminate here... that Professor Dershowitz is a 'Liar'... Professor Dershowitz appears in public in Q & A sessions or in books and printed material readily obtained/available for perusal...

I dare you to put some substance behind your defaming insults, in other words <PROVE HE LIED>!

 

gaza

This is a Ship load of <GARBAGE>...

(a) The Israeli left the Gaza Strip on purpose to minimize blood shedding.
(b) The Jews are banning nothing!!! Million of tons of food and building material pass from Israel to Gaza on a daily routine... The cement goes to build tunnels, very little is used constructively to better the lives of the average Gaza resident...
(c) The Gaza blockade is to block the arrival of missiles from Iran and other short sighted Semite Arab countries...

(d) Your sloganeering make no sense!

 

See the debate with Prof Finkelstein where he details exactly what's wrong with his book.

See the debate with noam chomsky who hands him his rear end.

 

The Jews are banning almost everything. It's widely known. So.... try to read up on it.

 

I suggest you take your own advice and actually review the facts. Of course you'd find that its not only the jews that are blockading gaza, but don't let that little factoid ruin a good hate on.

 

The claim of "The Jews are banning nothing!!!" is absolutely false.
You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.

That makes Dershowitz an idiot by saying they should rebuild and work.
They simply can't since the Jew state is still occupying it.

Hence I'll be with Jimmy Carter and deny the guys existence in debate.

 

I am reading you...
the point is that all we have done for Gaza according to you in nothing... Just take that to the bank, no country in the world has any allegiance to the enemy!

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This might brighten your day.

Brigitte Gabriel- Truth About Islam. Truth About Quran VIDEO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku7eU6M21Ho

 

Israel has deliberately destroyed the economy in Gaza by banning almost everything to be imported and exported by being the occupational force. While no country is counting calories for others to see if they can end that commerce.

So I'm not saying Israel hasn't done anything. They are doing everything. In fact.. you are saying "The Jews are banning nothing!!!", while that is just an utter joke of an opinion.

 

I did and none of them ask if the respondents view Israel as being an apartheid state.

Here it is, tell us all which question asks that.

Poll

Next time try to read the poll prior to spewing your lies so you won't come off the big fool as you are now.

 

You can take the past President J. Carter, Chomsky, Pappe, Neturei Karta and a few other turncoats and make silly putty out of them for what I care....
The near future whomever will be President of the USA would move the US Embassy to the Capital of Israel Jerusalem, then I will read what you have to say!

 

Hate to break it too you but Palestine is not part of Israel so using the differences on treatment of an enemy peoples under occupation as an example of apartheid is hardly viable to support the big lie similar to the one notme has been trying to uphold for the past couple of months with his stupid discredited poll that doesn't even ask the question he says it does.

 

That's right so why are you so intent on lying and applying double standards against Israel? Face it, it's no more akin to apartheid than most nations of the world yet you and others here hammer on it over and over screaming apartheid for some reason.

Not at all. Just showing how stupid the accusation is when real apartheid is going on right under your nose.

I deny it in spades and the best you came up with was something about an enemy peoples under occupation and now, when shown where apartheid actually exists you still attempt to point the finger back at Israel. You're no more interested in stopping real apartheid than you are female genital mutilation but you are interested in applying double standards towards Israel for some reason.

 

In post 1196 Notme stated:

"The Jews are banning almost everything. It's widely known. So.... try to read up on it. "

Them in post 11988 states:

Notme slurs all Jews with false motives. His slur against all Jews shows his agenda is to come on this board and incite hatred against all Jews.

His posts have nothing to do with the thread.

For me they are classic examples of how ant-semitic hate comments are permitted on this board as long as the thread has the word Israel in it somewhere.

Enough with this base (*)(*)(*)(*) roach language and hatred.

 

I agree that would be a false claim, if I was making it. But it is a blockade afterall. Must really (*)(*)(*)(*) some people off that Israel takes actions to ensure their sworn mortal enemies cannot freely obtain war materiel.

Yes they can't. Just like they couldn't when they were occupied by Egypt and Jordan, or is it more convenient for you to ignore those periods of Palestinian history.

As to focusing on persuing nationalist interests, it seems the palestinians and their arab cousins have focussed much more on the "liberation of all of historic palestine" than they have in attempting to build a functioning independent nation. That should not be surprising to conservatives, since such an enormous chunk of their economy is predicated on aid and charity creating massive multi-generational dependence.

Like I said, you might want to actually review the FACTS of this clustermuck's complex history. Two sides, neither of them wearing white hats.

 

Lol
Where are the people of other nations trying so hard to defend the evil that goes on in their countries? Where on this forum? Where anywhere?

Other nations people don't even try. Because they know what goes on in Africa etc is wrong. You lot on the other hand have an entire lobbying industry and propaganda network.

There are thus no double standards applied. You are compared and held up to Western standards. And found wanting.


Hmm didn't I mention what goes on against Israeli Arabs? Should I?

Tell me. Do you think Israeli Arabs are treated exactly as Israeli Jews are?

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When they were occupied by Egypt and Jordan they had mostly just been all made refugees and simply were trying to get their houses and farms back. Just like you would - so stop BS 'g about other humans.

 

No they weren't. they lost a war and they and their arab cousins weren't interested in building any of the necessary national institutions required to be a sovereign nation.

Perhaps you should stop trying to make excuses for other humans who determined their own path, which led to the pathetic situation they find themselves in today.

 

No in fact they really had. They'd just had at least 700 000 made homeless in a month or two. There was no un relief operation or save the children etc.

Their own Arab brethren were just as poor if not poorer then Palestinians and had just had a mass influx of refugees.

Their own path was a righteous and just path. The very same path you would have taken and your own Jewish, if you have any, ancestors would have taken. Calling victims pathetic nearly a million people who only wanted things to remain as they were and who lost everything to European militias is disgusting of you.

 

Strange, you seem to be resigned to the fact that so many nations that are enemies of Israel are apartheid and racist yet feel that blaming Israel is the only fact worth mentioning.

Bull. The US, India, Australia, Germany, UK, Russia and South Africa are also racist and are, unlike Israel not involved in a war declared against themselves by their neighbors but, not a peep about them nor about the apartheid-racist nations around Israel some of whom have real ethnic cleansing as their official policy.

Better and it had best be something that shows how there is a systematic nationwide partitions and segregation of races otherwise you'll be classified in the same redundant BS category as that idiot poll notme keeps on bringing up.

Nope. A two part counter question; a) do you think that if there were any Jews in Palestine they would be treated exactly like Palestinians? b) do you think Palestinians are treated better in Israel or in Palestine or in any other Arab nation?

 

You can blame the Arab League for that one, not Israel.

 

Gideon Levy, a rare voice of sanity amidst a mountain of pathetic lies and nonsense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QNP4Zw-KQ&feature=youtu.be

 

that human suffering was a direct result of the WAR, waged between the arabs and the jews. A war of extermination as far as many of the arabs were concerned or did that little factoid escape you?

While there is no question as the the humanitarian clustermuck that resulted from that war, it should be noted that even then, the overwhelming majority of arabs believed that destruction of Israel was their just and righteous path.

But why not ignore the fact that the Palestinians were political pawns used and abused mercilessly by their arab cousins.

 

What's wrong with stopping the people who are going to immigrate and takeover the country?

Exterminating Jews? The Jews didn't even think the Arabs were as human as they. Or as entitled to consideration.

And what's worse. The Jewish Zionists movement started this thing. Go ahead and try and deny that.

Palestinians were not pawns. They fought with and for the British for their independence when they seem what was about to happen to them and they fought for their homes. Just like you would do.

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Um no. First cause was not the Arab league. It was the Zionist movement.

 

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Why is it strange? Is it relevant? How so?

Is there some case of mass injustice and conflict you'd like to discuss?

Perhaps you can tell us how it affects Palestinians?
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Is there someone on this forum defending the indefensible? Perhaps you can link to this?

I'd be happy to join in would likely agree with you on the matter. Let us know.
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Why should I make a case of exact like for like apartheid between Israel and south Africa when I've not said they are exactly alike ?

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Ah so you admit something is at least untoward going on. That's a start.

A/ clearly not. Palestinians are an occupied people. Quite a different case.

B/ They are discriminated against in their own land both Israel and Palestine. In other Arab states they are not allowed citizenship. Thus one can see why you should be on their side and not trying to benefit one of their tormentors.

 

Guess they didn't do a very good job of stopping them.

Yes, exterminating jews. although you do present the usual false justification commonly used by bigots.

Oh please. Buy a history book and read up on the Arab Revolt. the arabs that fought with the British in the middle east during ww1 were betrayed by the british, et.al. and during ww2, the arabs either tacitly or explicitly supported the axis.

 

And the europpean jews didnt do a very good job of stopping the Nazis either, going to to tell us they were pathetic too?

Guess your right about the arabs, but they learned over time.

LOL, you think its fine to justify Zionist actions the exact same way, by telling us about the arabs. A tactic also commonly used by bigots eh?

An honourable and brave people betrayed indeed, youve just humanised the arabs and justified their actions.