Israel slams eu over plan to take hamas off terror list **MOD WARNING**

Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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The world is more or less controlled by the 5 Security Council countries.
USA pro Israel
GB leaning Israel
France on the fence leaning Israel
Russia on the fence depends on their needs but leaning Palestinian
China on the fence neutral.

Unless Israel starts carpet bombing the west bank, the status quo will not change against Israel. On the other hand the divided palestinians, only play against their own interests with their behavior so they will not get more then trivial pats on the back. Israel is here to stay, it is by no means a isolated, it is by no means militarily threatend.

 

The world's biggest aggressor and the most horrible land grabber in the history of humanity (in the eyes of the anti-Israel hate mob) is actually quite difficult to see on the map....It's kind of tiny, compared to the enemies that surround it.

 

You see what I mean about hysteria now ? When asked you simply smear the questioner as a terrorist supporter

 

These people are blissfully ignorant via excellent brainwashing and conditioning. and with all due respect due them, they are in for a horrible wake up call that will force them to confront the truth.
The truth is the Arab nation of Palestine never existed and is a fabrication, an awful fabrication. I know they will not believe me when I say my heart goes out to them for being taken advantage of by the father of all lies and other entities and principalities. But its true. I am not angry at people of so called Palestine, rather I am exceedingly angry at the satanically influenced leaders etc that created this lie of an Arab Palestine.


reva

 

how ironic

 

They are its enemies and so its, its problem. Whats it got to do with the US ......or Kazakhstan for that matter ?

 

After the questioner smeared Americans as hysterical supporters of a rogue state although Israel is not a rogue state by any stretch of imagination and its Israel haters who are usually hysterical, and melodramatic.

Your inability to answer your own question, turned on you is also noted.

 

It wasn't all that long ago when Americans asked if your country fell tomorrow what would it matter?

It's difficult to take such questions seriously. What did it matter to the British if Poland fell to the Nazis in 1939?

You're entitled to your opinions and biases, but I have a hard time believing that you are unaware of the many reasons why the U.S. supports Israel and what benefits we receive from our relationship to that country.

Furthermore, our problems with hostile Muslims didn't begin with the birth of the modern state of Israel. They began long before that prior to and during the Barbary Wars when we had done nothing to provoke any hostility and aggression on their part.

 

By asking a simple question I wasn't smearing anyone. I called Israel a pariah state not a rogue one, which is pretty much true outwith the US

I couldnt care less about either side that much. Why is the fate one of the protagonists in a region far from yours of such consequence to you ? Do you have relatives there or something ?

 

Actually, Borat made some valid points, flogger. What are Europeans getting out of supporting Hamas besides a hole in the wallet?

I imagine it's a lot less than what the U.S. gets out of its relationship with Israel.

 

Apples and Oranges. That was a world war this is a storm in a teacup

What benefits would those be then ? I have no biases here because I don't really care much for either side. I'm just trying to understand why you have yours ?

No they pretty much began in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Earlier differences were very minor by comparison

 

BS, not only you are posting regularly on this topic, you clearly have an agenda and much as you think it's clever and well disguised it's in fact rather silly and obvious.

Why don't you ask your compatriots Snake, Alexa, trout, why are they obsessed with the conflict, why do they come out every day to smear Israel while their and your own country by your standards is one of the worst world criminals. Do they have relatives in the territory?

 

No he didn't it was a dodge. Humanitarian aid is one thing freely arming a protagonist is quite another

What does it get out of its relationship with Israel exactly ?

 

What agenda would that be then because I must have missed it ?

I'm not obsessed with the conflict in any way. I am however baffled as to why US posters in particular post so massively and one sidedly on a conflict that is of no consequence whatsoever to any discernable US interests

 

If it's storm in a teacup then why do so many people treat it as if it were a world war?

You can call it apples and oranges, and to an extent that's true, but there were many people in the U.S. (ex., the America First Committee) who wanted nothing to do with your war with Nazi Germany. They even opposed the Lend Lease program. Clearly, they weren't terribly worried about the continued existence of your country.

Your bias is clear and evident. The U.S. supports the two-state solution and provides material aid to both Israel and Palestine but you didn't ask me what we get out of our relationship with the Palestinians.

No, they began with the Barbary Wars, and many of the differences are no different than the ones that existed in the early 19th Century. The notion that anti-Western hostility in Arab world began with the Yom Kippur War or the birth of the modern state of Israel is preposterous in its ignorance of over 1000 years of history.

 

Speak for yourself. I doubt many outwith the US view this conflict with such gravitas

If Britain had fallen how long do you think it would have been before Hitler was knocking on your door ? Supporting Britain was simply enlightened self interest by Roosevelt. There is no analogy here with the Israel situation

How does merely asking some searching questions about US support for Israel represent bias ?

I take it you give the far greater financial aid to the side that most needs it then ?

Conflicts from earlier centuries have little to do with todays situation in the ME . I could invoke the Christian sacking and slaughter of Muslims in Jerusalem during the crusades and that too would be just as irrelevant

 

Your obvious agenda is subtly (in your imagination) convince the Americans that their support of Israel is wrong. You think you are clever but everybody laughs at your feeble efforts to disguise your equally feeble agenda, Dutch has already called your same inane question a "fetish".

Moreover, the moment the question is turned on you and you are asked why you and your countrymen are obsessed with Israel and the conflict, you are immediately like deer in the headlights totally unable to respond coherently.

 

Yes and like you he runs for cover too when I dare to ask it.

Obsessed ? On the contrary I couldn't care less. My interest here is getting to the root of why so many Americans are. Just look at the number of truly vitriolic threads that get started on it . I'd like to know why that is ?

 

Certainly. You and your countrymen are most definitely are. And when we ask you why you are obsessed with smearing tiny Israel when by your standards your own country is a war criminal in a league of its own bombing Muslim countries non-stop, we get absolutely no coherent answer.


So why you Brits and Scots are obsessed with what's going on half the world away and what's in it for you? Do you have relatives in the territory?

 

halfway around the world? Britain is about the same distance from Israel, as NYC is from Los Angeles.

and are you actually suggesting that Brits have no right & no business caring about what happens in Israel?

every citizen of the world has the right to be concerned about what happens in israel, just as every citizen should have cared what was happening in South Africa.

 

I was merely curious why Brits being citizens of a criminal rogue state which has murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians all over the muslim world in just the last decade, why are they obsessed with Israel instead of being obsessed with cleaning their own act and putting their own war criminals in jail. Is it not a legitimate question? I am yet to hear a coherent answer though.

Well, 18,500 murders a year, hundreds of thousands of rapes and no one gives a flying f*ck about what's going on in South Africa, everyone is too busy being obsessed with Israel defending itself.

 

Britian is not a criminal rogue state.

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sounds like you're saying Apartheid should have been kept in place.

 

I couldn't care less about 'tiny' Israel nor have I smeared it. Why is it so important to you ?

Obsessed ? How many Brits start threads about Israel and how many Americans do ,yet its geographically a darned sight closer to us ? Nuff said. The question I keep asking and that you keep dodging is why you do ?

 

Really, it's occupied several arab countries in the last decade alone, it's bombed even more, it's killed more innocent civilians in the last 10 years than Arabs and Jews combined in the entire history of the conflict.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the uber-left totally indifferent to the plight of white South Africans... 18,500 murders a years and they don't move a finger, don't make a peep about it....They are busy trying to dismantle Israel now, that it would also end up in genocide of Jews is of no concern to them.