It's obvious your ripping that out of context of a complete sentence / raping the English language. And you again continue to attack some messenger on a toppic that is not related to this one. - - - Updated - - - IMHO it takes a racist to experience anti-Israel as anti-semite / anti-Jewish.
It's not. But writing correctly has nothing to do with the interpretation of text. Taking things out of context is a wrong way of interpretation. And DrewBedson does that by refusing to take into account the entire sentence of the author. The part Drew leaves out, is a comparison that "something" is as real as the dropping of the atomic bomb. I do find it an exceptional bombastic way of expressing that "something" really really really happened. In no way does this hint the author is in denial. Also, Drew was not even aware the author said this, and demanded I quoted this sentence... from a source he previously provided himself. But most of all: The author Drew dishonestly attacks has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ENTIRE THREAD. Anybody with a mild understanding of the English text is able to realize that. And so... Drew is just trolling this thread to death.
I see, well just as long as you're not one of those Holocaust deniers.....because those people are just about as stupid as they come.
Posted it in context may times but you still don't seem to understand what the word "concept" means. It means idea, thought, abstract process but not fact. Possible you might consider grabbing a dictionary and looking it up as it certainly doesn't mean it is reality but rather what some think. As posted before over a month ago in full, post #39 of 30 November;
Classic childish ad hominem arguments. You know perfectly well why I find why that person is not a holocaust deniar, but you just ignore my argument, just like you refuse to take his entire sentence into account.You simply do everything to attack posters you do not agree with as a means to invalidate their arguments, while shun their arguments. In no way do you even contribute to this toppic that is about Israel paying people like you to rant on the internet. It's stupidly easy to spot what you're doing.
Some Zionists complain that Jimmy Carter's book Peace, Not Apartheid is anti-Semitic, but being in favor of fairness for the Palestinians, just as being in favor of fairness for the Cherokees who were deported from the US Southeast to Oklahoma, doesn't necessarily mean that you want to be unfair to someone else. http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Pea...389790076&sr=1-1&keywords=peace+not+apartheid
I have a great deal of respect for Jimmy Carter as both a humanitarian and a scholar; although I firmly believe that he was stink on a stick as a politician and as a president. About a decade ago I used one of his books on the Middle-East in helping a student craft a research paper on Israel's brief history as a modern nation. But I am not entirely certain what your observation has to do with explaining the general perceived leftwing shift from being more or less supporters of Israel and defenders of Jews in general to turning somewhat away from both stances of late; as it seems more definite in nature than just wanting to be fair to both sides. It seems well on its way to being a general aversion to both the nation of Israel and to Jews in general.
I don't think I'm seeing a general aversion to Jews, although I may be missing it, but there seems to be a growing sympathy to the Palestinian position, which could be perceived as anti-Jewish. People blaming American Jews for the plight of the Palestinians should remember that American Jews voted heavily in favor of Obama, who was opposed by Netanyahu and AIPAC, the Israeli political lobby.
The entire quote was posted for the second time and he is a Holocaust denier as he states that the Holocaust did not happen as the Jews say in his own article by stating Hoess did not kill millions of Jews. He also says in an interview that the Holocaust did not happen as Jews say it did; "it seems that there is no solid evidence that Germany put in train a plan to systematically murder Jews using gas chambers. I have no doubt that some Germans were as cruel as some of those bombing-raid planners, and that a lot of unnecessary deaths resulted from that cruel streak, which seems to show itself in so many humans, but I do not think that the facts support the planned systematic- extermination scenario that the ever-growing number of Holocaust museums claim was perpetrated by the Germans." so he is either a Holocaust denier or, a schizophrenic who can't decide what the hell he is posting so just posts anything and is often on the side of denialism. For your part, just as there is no disputing that atomic bombs were dropped on Japanese civilians your concept that Lawson is not a Holocaust denier cannot be denied. Have you even bothered to look up the word 'concept' in a dictionary yet? And, as for your concern that we have not discussed the thread itself I did but you have yet to answer on how your organization has ordered you to get on the internet and make Jihad.
American Jews vote Democrat far more often than not. Something of a puzzlement to me, especially during the last election cycle as Romney was angling for the Jewish vote far more than Our Glorious Messiah, who seemed to go out of his way to (*)(*)(*)(*) off Jewish voters. I used to think the whole idea of paid shills for organizations posting here was a joke, especially last year when the servers were so awful that you had to wait ten minutes to post a comment - on a good day. But nowadays, I'm not so sure. Although it's not shills for Israel I'm seeing, but rather - well, we have a poster here who only starts threads where the OP comes from the Huffington Post. We have a few others who have a huge amount of OP's and links that come from RT.com or PressTV. I'd be willing to bet those guys are paid shills for those organizations.
The article you quoted this from is about wrongful accusations of anti-semitism (huge hint in the title). Something you do not understand. Besides that you're obviously still trolling since nothing you post is about this topic.
It was an interview. One in which he confirmed he is a Holocaust revisionist by saying" it seems that there is no solid evidence that Germany put in train a plan to systematically murder Jews using gas chambers." That you contend he is not after he has attempted to show the Jewish concept of the Holocaust is not what they say it is hilarious.
800,000 Jews sent to Treblinka. only a few hundred remained after WW2. no evidence or documentation of thousands of Jews deported from Treblinka. wo sind der Juden?
No it's not. He denies the nazi's had a PLAN for massacring Jews at the start of the war. He does not deny it never happened. You simply refuse to understand this and rape the English language again to slander a messenger. And again you're obviously still trolling since nothing you post is about this topic which is Israel pays a bunch of loosers to cuss, troll and sweettalk on the internet.
He said there was no plan and in the article from that Holocaust denying website you defend like it was not what it is stated that although he admits there is no evidence to back up his story, Hoess's confession was wrong as no Jews were gassed in Auschwitz as there were no gas operational chambers.. I do believe the not only the Jews, but the rest of the world knows they existed and that Hoess was not tortured so therrefore, the Jewish conception of the Holocasut is denied by himself in these two particular instances. So, back to you and, I have to say that it is refreshing to see you on here a bit more as I miss our little talks. I did in post #75 but it seems you don't bother responding to the issue the thread is about when somebody posts something relevant to it so, I just merely show you the errors of your ways and provide proof of this gent being a Holocaust denier which, by the way is the reason youtube would not allow for the publication of his vid on their site.
Indeed. That is what you quoted. And not having a plan =/= it never happened. /facepalm And you're obviously seek to troll this thread to death, since you do not contribute to the toppic. The toppic is Israel paying spammers to troll, slander and sweettalk the apartheid nation that also commits warcrimes.
That's right, he did say that ("it seems that there is no solid evidence that Germany put in train a plan to systematically murder Jews using gas chambers. ") which is why I provided the quote and link to show you that he did. And, as we all know, the world and the Jews all maintain there was a plan so in effect, he maintains that the Jewish concept of the Holocaust is not a fact which makes him a Holocaust denier or Revisionist. Post #75 addresses this quite nicely. Sorry you are missing such a good thread.
I think Israel is one of the best countries in the Middle east, and the most civilized by western standards at the very least. They are an innovative people, and even in the good book they are the chosen ones. Israel does not need to pay for this service, but if they are looking to hire there are many poor University students in America who don't have jobs due to the recession.
Well that just shows how desperate Israel has become. Israel needs to learn how to accept criticism instead of going BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ANTI-SEMITISM, HOLOCAUST, EVERYONE HATES JEWS AND BLA BLA BLA. Israeli government should just admit that want to control the entire region and do not want to see a Palestinian state.
Why does any discussion about what is happening TODAY in Palestine and around the Palestinian issue immediately derail into a discussion about what happened many, many years ago, speak about "them Nazis" and the Holocaust? Hardly antibody from the users of this forum was an eye witness of events that happened during WWII, this is a historical question that is off-topic in the discussions about what happens in the Middle East today. We are all witnesses of what is happening TODAY in Palestine. And we can only believe historians and eye witnesses when we are talking about WWII, because we did not witness these events with OUR OWN EYES. And if you were not a witness of something, then you cannot deny it, can you? The word "denial" is a misnomer in the historical context, it should be only applied for something that is happening TODAY and that you can see with your OWN eyes! This thread is about the Middle East, about the Zionists, so let's return to the topic of this discussion and attack the messages, not the messengers.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because a so called Palestinian State has always been a fiction initiated by a few who have brainwashed the rest.
Jewish patrimony is their religion, nothing else. The Jewish holy books are not history books, they are just fairy tale books, and many Jewish fairy tales are very cruel and very pornographic. The term "state" is a modern phenomenon, there were no states 300 years ago. There was no state, called India 300 years ago, but that does not mean that India did not exist. Can you get my drift? Even if we assume that the Kingdom of David really existed (though there is no historical evidence for that, because no ancient documents mention such a kingdom, and the Bible is not a historical document), and Hebrews really killed children and ethnically cleansed Palestine from their native inhabitants, what does that change? This kingdom was created by violence and genocide against the native inhabitants of Palestine/Kanaan, and this supposed Jewish Kingdom existed only a very short period of time. After that Romans, Greeks, Christian Franks, Saudis, Ottomans, were in control of this territory. Why do you think that some crazy people from Europe who called themselves "Zionists" had more rights to claim this land, than Italians, Greeks, Saudis, Turks, or Frenchmen and other Europeans who created Mediaeval Kingdoms in Palestine? Why do you think that Christians or Muslims have less right to call Palestine their Patrimony? BTW, European Christian Kingdoms existed longer on this territory, than the supposed Jewish Kingdom. Does it make any sense to claim some territory after 2000 years of absence (even if we assume that Zionists were really descendants of Hebrews, which was not the case)? It is obviously that such a claim is moronic. According to Christian religious Patrimony Palestine belongs to the Christians, and the Spanish King Carlos is de facto the owner of Palestine. According to Muslim religious Patrimony Palestine belongs to the Muslims. According to Jewish religious Patrimony Palestine belongs to Jews. So why do you think that Jewish religious Patrimony is more important than Christian or Muslim religious Patrimony, and that Jewish religion gives the Zionists any special rights to land robbery in Palestine? You seem to be so blinded by your hatred against Semites (be these Semites Christians or Muslims) that you see in every opponent an Arab, especially if your opponent does not share the atavistic hatred against the real Semites, speak Arabs. Well, what does that mean? That means that Arabs are very tolerant people. They accepted the European invaders and even played football with them. Today Zionists would not permit that, they segregate the European invaders from the native Semites of Palestine. Thank you! You have de facto debunked the silly Zionist hasbara about "them Muslims" being the reason of the conflict. The Zionist Hasbara goes like that: Islam is bad and that is the reason why the innocent Zionists are so hated by the native Semites in Palestine! But you agree that Palestinian Christians are even more radical fighters for the liberation of their Palestinian homeland from European invaders. Bravo! Thank you! So Islam is not an issue at all, if Palestinian Christians are even more "virulent" than their Muslim compatriots! And some American idiots who call themselves "Christian" support Zionists who are cleansing Palestine from the Christian population and converting the home town of Jesus Christ into a concentration camp surrounded with barbed wire! http://associationofjillgooding.org.uk/Bethlehem_wall_files/image002.png That is how Betlehem looks today! Are you kidding? The land theft is going on, and you wonder why the victims of this thefts do not love the thieves? Why should they accept that? The most idiotic sentence in this quote is the following: We come from Israel... but two thousand years ago" Anyway, leading Zionists, like Ben-Gurion, could understand that Palestinians do not have any reason to accept the land theft, even though he believed that his ancestors came from Israel 2000 years ago. But today Zionists seem to become entirely blind to the reality, they live in their parallel word and wonder why Israel is in the category of the most hated states in the world.
