The controlled media do not talk a lot about the fact that the most prominent Zionists were blood thirsty criminals who committed terrorists acts against civilians.
Palestinian terrorism: 1974 Japanese Embassy attack in Kuwait 1980 Paris synagogue bombing Munich massacre 1981 Antwerp bombing Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum Coastal Road massacre Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing Ma'alot massacre Passover massacre Maxim restaurant suicide bombing Pi Glilot bombing Sabena Flight 571 Savoy Hotel Attack Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing Shawarma restaurant bombing Swissair Flight 330 Pan Am Flight 110 Rome - Italy Avivim school bus massacre Mercaz HaRav massacre Dizengoff Street bus bombing Hijacking of Achille Lauro Beit Lid massacre Jaffa Road bus bombings Kiryat Menachem bus bombing 1979 Nahariya attack Lod Airport massacre Ma'ale Akrabim massacre Hebrew University massacre 2008 Dimona suicide bombing Karkur junction suicide bombing EgyptAir Flight 648 Night of the Gliders 2004 Sinai bombings Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy 2000 Ramallah lynching Itamar attack (2011) Rome and Vienna airport attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–39_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine During Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation in 1834, Jews were targeted in pogroms in Hebron, Safed and Jerusalem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ty_under_Ottoman_rule_.281517.E2.80.931917.29 1474 Great Synagogue of Jerusalem demolished by Arab mob
Well, Zionist terrorism was supported by leading Zionists, Israel even honoured the former terrorists in 1980 with a special ribbon. Palestinian terrorism is just the reaction of some desperate individuals to the terrorism, land robbery and ethnic cleansing of Zionists. Anybody with half a brain can figure out what is the reason, and what is the consequence, what was planned and supported by leading Zionists, and what was just the own reaction and own initiative of victims of a crime. BTW, do you read the stuff you are posting? As we see, the people that destructed an already dilapidated Synagogue in 1473 in Jerusalem were PUNISHED!!!! Why? Because this vandalism was not sanctioned by any authority. But Israel HONOURED in 1980 the terrorists that killed a lot of civilians!!!! Can you see the difference?
yes, when Gentiles kill hundreds of innocent Jews, they always have some sort of excuse. they usually say "the Jew made us do it".
Massacres of Jews by Muslims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre In 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in an offensive manner. The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco Confined to city quarters, the Bukharan Jews were denied basic rights and many were forced to convert to Islam. They had to wear black and yellow dress to distinguish themselves from the Muslims.[38] Under the Zaydi rule, the Yemenite Jews were considered to be impure, and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by Islamic youth, a Jew was not allowed to defend himself. In such situations he had the option of fleeing or seeking intervention by a merciful Muslim passerby.[39] In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan because of the common belief of their impurity and forced to convert to Islam. However, as it became known that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret and because the treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews, in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, but were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing In 1834, in Safed local Muslim Arabs carried out a massacre of the indigenous (Old Yishuv) Jewish population of that city in the Safed Plunder.[citation needed] In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. It was only by forcible conversion that a massacre was averted.[40] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[41][42] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews: "…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered In 1840, the Jews of Damascus were falsely accused of having murdered a Christian monk and his Muslim servant and of having used their blood to bake Passover bread.[45] A Jewish barber was tortured until he "confessed"; two other Jews who were arrested died under torture, while a third converted to Islam to save his life. Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez in Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania An account by Solomon Cohen dated January 1148 AD describes the Almohad conquests: "Abd al-Mumin ... the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi ... captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam. ... [In Sijilmasa] One hundred and fifty persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith. ... One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh. The Jews in all [Maghreb] localities [conquered] ... groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco Thus, for example, the sultan Sulaiman (1795–1822) decreed that the Jews of Fez might wear shoes; but so many Jews were killed in the streets of that city as a result of the edict that they themselves asked the sultan to repeal it. According to a statistical report of the Alliance Israélite Universelle, for the years 1864–80 no less than 307 Jews were murdered in the city and district of Morocco, which crimes, although brought to the attention of the magistracy upon every occasion, remained unpunished.[44] In 1912, thousands of rebelling Moroccan soldiers entered and pillaged the Mellah (Jewish quarter) of Fez. More than 50 Jews were killed and hundreds of homes and shops were destroyed or damaged. The events were known as the "Tritel" Like the Arabs, the Jews were zealous promoters of knowledge, and by translating Greek and Latin authors, mainly at the House of Wisdom in Bagdad, contributed essentially to their preservation. They took up religio-philosophical studies (the "kalam"), siding generally with the Mutazilites and maintaining the freedom of the human will ("chadr"). The government meanwhile accomplished all it could toward the complete humiliation of the Jews. All non-believers — Magi, Jews, and Christians — were compelled by Al-Mutawakkil to wear a badge; their places of worship were confiscated and turned into mosques; they were excluded from public offices, and compelled to pay to the caliph a tax of one-tenth of the value of their houses. The caliph Al-Mu'tadhel (892-902) ranked the Jews as "state servants." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq#Sassanid_period
Ronstar - may I say once again, Nothing abt the Israeli/Palestine conflict is ever as simple as the simple minded can be made to believe. At the same time many Arab families same there was also many other Arab families who SAVED the lives of their Jewish neighbours. Let me know if you doubt my word and I'd gladly search my files for further details , which AFAIK was verified by many Jewish descendants- off the cuff the family name Hanegbi rings a bell, --- " S E E K P E A C E O F H E B R O N "We, the descendents of the families of Hebron s ancient Jewish community, sons, grandsons and greatgrandsons of the Jews who lived in the city for hundreds of years - want peace. PEACE FOR THE CITY, PEACE FOR ISRAEL Now, when the city of our fathers and forefathers is in the eye of a storm threatening to explode the political process and to destroy the prospects of peace, we feel an obligation to say what is in our hearts. Settlers living in Hebron s heart do not have the right to speak in the name of the old Jewish community, and their pretensions to be following the path of our fathers is a deceit and deceiving. They are alien to the culture and way of life of the Hebron Jews, who in the course of generations created a heritage of peace between peoples and understanding between faiths. The settlers who have taken possession of Jewish property in the heart of Hebron and made it theirs, have done thievish work. No one granted them the right that is not theirs, to be the heirs of our fathers, no matter if we speak of private property or community property. And they intend to add sins to their crimes and to possess other lands and structures. HEBRON WILL DECIDE FOR GOOD OR EVIL Therefore the government must evacuate the handful of settlers from the city at once, before they succeed in exploding the peace process and destroying the prospects of peace. Amnon Bierman Moshe Gelmor (Hassun family) Rachel Grundland (Zarfati family) Ahuva Donivsky (Zarfati family) Ronen Doron ( Slonim family) Yael Doron (Slonim family) Etty Horn (Franco family) Chaim Hanegbi (Bajaio family) Chaim Hazan (Avishar family) Michal Hassun (Hassun family) Ovadya Hassun (Hassun family) Rami Hassun (Hassun family) Tamar Hassun (Hassun family) Orit Hassun-Walder (Hassun family) Ofra yerushalmi-Seidof (Zarfati family) Yair Kidan (Schneirson family) Dafne Mendelowitz (Zarfati family) Asher Meshorer (Mani family) Yaakov Meshorer (Mani family) Orah Slonim (Slonim family) Meir Slonim (Slonim family) Batya Perla (Kleiers family) Yonah Rochlin (Mani, Hassun) Eliezer Shani (Slonim family) Sima Schneider (Slonim family) Orit Hassun-Walder (Hassun family) Ofra Yerushalmi-Seidof (Zarfati family) Yair Kidan (Schneirson family) Dafne Mendelowitz (Zarfati family) Asher Meshorer (Mani family) Yaakov Meshorer (Mani family) Ora Slonim (Slonim family) Meir Slonim (Slonim family) Batya Perla (Kliers family) ---Hebron descendants decry actions of current settlers They are kin of the Jews ousted in 1929. By Alan Sipress INQUIRER STAFF WRITER RA'ANANA, Israel -- Yona Rochlin pages through the thick Hebrew volume, caressing the history of her beloved Hebron. She pauses at a black-and-white photograph of a man with spectacles and a long white beard, her grandfather's grandfather, the renowned Elijah Mani, posing in the turban and embroidered robe of an honored rabbi. After generations of peaceful coexistence, Rochlin's family left Hebron in 1929, just before anti-Jewish hatred erupted into Arab riots that left 67 Jews dead. Now she and a growing corps of the city's Jewish descendants are renewing their links with Hebron. Their aim is not to reclaim the West Bank city. Instead, after years of anonymity, they are reasserting their heritage in the face of militant Israeli settlers who moved into Hebron's ancestral Jewish homes after 1979. ``The settlers were holding the history book of Hebron for 30 years,'' Rochlin, 45, said. ``All of a sudden, we came out of the pages. It must be a nightmare for them.'' These descendants have launched a publicity campaign contesting the right of the 450 current settlers to speak in the name of the former Jewish community. They are demanding instead that the enclave be plucked from the heart of Hebron, a city of 120,000 Palestinians. The settlers live in a portion of Hebron that remains under Israeli army control after a partial troop redeployment in January. None of the settlers is descended from the earlier community. Some are American, and many others are not native-born Israelis. ``The settlers are a loaded bomb that can blow up peace altogether,'' said Yair Keidan, 46, whose father was born in Hebron. ``We're not talking about Zionists. We're talking about lunatics, radical fanatics.'' After centuries of exile, Jews started returning to this biblical city in the 13th century. By the 15th century, they had begun to flourish under Ottoman rule. The community reached up to 1,500 by the mid-19th century, when the revered, Baghdad-born Rabbi Elijah Mani arrived. For more than 40 years, he served as chief rabbi, expanding Hebron's Jewish institutions and winning respect among the Arab population as well. When he died in 1899, hundreds of Jews and Arabs attended his funeral, according to Rochlin, a former employee of the airline El Al who now lives in the comfortable Tel Aviv suburb of Ra'anana. She beamed as she told the story of her ancestors. She said the Muslims so honored Elijah Mani that they tried to declare him a local saint. Other Jewish descendants were raised on similar tales of harmony between the Arab and Jewish populations. But as the competing nationalisms of Jews and Arabs gained steam in the 1920s, relations between the groups soured. In 1929, an Arab mob massacred Jewish neighbors and ransacked their homes. Scores of survivors fled the city. Amnon Birman, 48, a Jerusalem newspaper columnist whose mother was born in Hebron, recalled that his great-grandfather, Jonah Tsarfat, saved the family in 1929. A rabbi and mystic, Tsarfat had a dream on the night before the violence that he should journey to the port of Jaffa and bathe his wife in the sea there to cure her of rheumatism. They set out before the riots began. These descendants do not deny the horror of the 1929 massacre, but they are enraged at the settlers. They accuse the settlers of exploiting the massacre's memory while fostering anti-Arab violence, most notably the 1994 shooting of 29 Muslim worshipers by settler Baruch Goldstein in the Tomb of the Patriarchs. But Rochlin's family, as well as those of other descendants, chose not to move back. Their homes subsequently were taken over by the followers of militant Rabbi Moshe Levinger. In 1979, Levinger's American-born wife, Miriam, led 40 women and children -- in a move unsanctioned by the Israeli government -- in a predawn foray to occupy Hebron's Beit Hadassah building, which has since emerged as the center of the Jewish enclave. Rochlin thumbed through her thick history book and arrived at a copy of an Ottoman land record showing that part of Beit Hadassah was registered in the name of Rabbi Suleiman Menachem Mani, her great-grandfather. Moshe and Miriam Levinger later moved into another home in Hebron's Avraham Avinu complex. According to Birman, that home once belonged to his great-grandfather. ``We, the moderate people on the Israeli side, are hostages in the hands of these fanatical people, these trigger-happy people,'' Birman said, warning that the settlers were likely to instigate violence inside Hebron to torpedo the peace process. While Birman and his colleagues want the settlers out, these descendants are not bent on regaining their family homes. They say claiming Jewish property inside the West Bank could set an awkward precedent, encouraging Arabs to reclaim their ancestral property inside what is now Israel. Birman, who called that prospect ``very dangerous,'' noted that his house in the Bakaa neighborhood of West Jerusalem belonged to Palestinians until they fled during the 1948 war. So far, a petition calling for the settlers to be evacuated from the West Bank city has gained the signature of about 40 Hebron children and grandchildren. Rochlin, a sponsor of the campaign, readily admits that some Hebron descendants sympathize with the settlers. In truth, two generations after the Jewish community was banished from the city, Hebron's offspring have come to reflect the whole range of views in Israeli society. But the three-month-old publicity drive, including media interviews and advertising, has drawn attention in Israel, creating unexpected opposition against the settlers. Rochlin, Keidan and several other descendants have garnered even more attention by meeting in recent weeks with Hebron's Palestinian mayor, Mustapha Natshe, and touring the city with PLO Police Commander Jibril Rajoub. This cooperation has been sharply criticized by the Hebron settlers. Noam Arnon, a settler spokesman, accused the descendants of ``bizarre activity to justify those who killed the Jewish community in 1929.'' Arnon said the settlements had received the support of some Hebron offspring and now were home to several relatives, though no direct descendants, of those who previously lived in the city. He accused those involved in the petition drive with being agents of ``fanatical movements who want to destroy the Jewish existence in Hebron.'' ``This is just a small group of leftist activists,'' Arnon said. ``They do not represent anything.'' The petition campaigners hold out little hope that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would heed their call and remove the Jewish settlers. But if the homes are evacuated, several descendants have urged that they be dedicated as a museum commemorating the old Jewish community and a cultural center for Jewish-Arab understanding. ``I can give my house as a present for peace,'' Rochlin said. ``I don't want my son to be killed over my grandfather in Hebron.'' Philadelphia Online -- The Philadelphia Inquirer, Page One -- Copyright Monday, March 3, 1997 ================================== btw Even JVL wouldnt conceal /hide the fact that there were two massacres. In 1994, one of the settlers in Hebron, DrBaruch Goldstein , shot and killed 29 Palestinians while they were praying in the Hebron mosque. ---------------- tata
Ronstar : Descendants of Hebrons Jews Say Settlers Dont Represent Them: (1997)} Children and grandchildren of Jews who lived in Hebron before 1948 met with Arab officials in Hebron on Nov. 10 and expressed their solidarity with the estimated 120,000 Arabs who live there. During a meeting with Hebron Mayor Mustafa Natshe, the groups spokesman, Yosef Ben Yacov Ben Ezra, accused the 450 fanatical settlers in the West Bank city of smearing the name of the Jews of Hebron and harming our relations with our Palestinian neighbors. Another member of the group, Haim Hanegbi, whose grandfather was rabbi of the Jewish community in Hebron in 1932, declared that authentic Hebron Jews have nothing to do with the fanatic settlers who are anti-Arab and anti-peace....We, the Jews of Hebron, declare that only through the people of Hebron, the municipal council and a future Palestinian state, will we be able to recover our rights and reclaim our property in Hebron, Hanegbi said. , The Arabs in turn have also been massacred The Jews also committed many atrocities. according to the former director of the Israeli army archives, "in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes'... Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs." One example among many. "For the entire day of April 9, 1948, Irgun and LEHI soldiers carried out the slaughter in a cold and premeditated fashion...The attackers lined men, women and children up against the walls and shot them,... The ruthlessness of the attack on Deir Yassin shocked Jewish and world opinion alike, drove fear and panic into the Arab population, and led to the flight of unarmed civilians from their homes all over the country." (This report is also slanted since its from a Pro-Palestine site however Deir Yassin massacre did occur.) Atrocities can never avoided with retaliatory atrocities it just perpetuates the cycle ==== So please stop moaning and pretending that Jews are the victims.
as far as you are concerned, Jews have never been victims of racism or terrorism. and when they were, they deserved it.
I just filled a bucket full of tears on the "real" poor victims - the Palestinian Bedouins. :icon_pee:
What is even more interesting is that they feel that they have to defend Israel. Who else does that? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks Shakespeare was right.
Don't know. Who? I'll be the first to tell you the US sucks, not as bad as the UK, but still it is pretty bad--we have roaches, rats, liberals, and mosquitoes everywhere. We are completely rodent infested.
Get this , I am not responsible for whatever is alleged to have happened I wasn't there I don't know enough background to conclude what they deserved. However , I do read aspects abt Jewish history which are rarely mentioned : "Jewish author Howard Jacobson notes Jewish historic myth-making at an exhibition of photographs of Eastern European Jews at the University of Judaism in Los Angeles. Particularly troubling to him was the depiction of the stereotypically "studious Jew": "Something is wrong with this exhibition. Something is wrong with the way we modern Jews idealize a past we wouldn't touch with a barge-pole if it were offered us again... Why is Jewish study always made to look so soulful in these sorts of photographs, so unrelieved, so unvarious, so *ucking miserable and desolating? What is it about Jewish books that make absorption in them such an invariably heart-rendering business? What a sell! How have the Jews done it, how have we persuaded ourselves, but gentiles as well, that anguish and lamentation and self-abnegation and bodilessness and pathos attach inalterably and exclusively to our studies? You don't see [St. Thomas] Aquinas looking into a book like that." [JACOBSON, H., 1995, p. 192-193] The distinguished Jewish historian, Salo Baron, of Columbia University, whose twelve-volume Social and Religious History of the Jews is the most extensive Jewish history by a single author in existence, argued a view that, post-Holocaust, has been swept to the wayside by modern Jewish discourse. His view was that Jewish suffering in the European Middle Ages, and throughout history, has been exaggerated. That is, that the Jews of Europe, as a group, in comparison to their Christian neighbors, actually had a better life in the Middle Ages, to the 20th century. For all the claims of massacres and pogroms, according to surviving documents, the Jewish population actually grew more rapidly than the Gentiles around them. [LIBERLES, p. 42] This accelerated in later centuries. "The two and a half centuries from 1660 to 1914," says Baron, "the Jewish population grew numerically some fifteen times... while mankind at-large increased by only 250 per cent, Europe by 350 per cent..." [BARON, H and J.H., p. 50] This thesis, addressing later years, is supported by a non-Jewish scholar of the Ukraine, Orest Subtleny: "Throughout the nineteenth century, especially in its latter part, the Jews experienced a tremendous population rise. Between 1820 and 1880, while the general population of the [Russian] empire rose by 87%, the number of Jews increased by 150%. On the Right Bank, this rise was even more dramatic: between 1844 and 1913 the number of its inhabitants rose by 265% while the Jewish population increased by 844%! Religious sanctions of large families, less exposure to famines, war, and epidemics, and a low mortality rate because of communal self-help and the availability of doctors largely accounted for this extraordinary increase." [SUBTLENY, p. 276] Salo Baron argued that his people, the Jews, were so privileged, relative to non-Jews throughout the European Middle Ages, that with the coming of the Enlightenment era "emancipation" and "equality" amounted to "a net loss [to Jews] in status and lifestyle." [SCHORSCH, p. 383] Elsewhere, he wrote that, "it is likely... that even the average medieval Jew, compared to his average Christian contemporary... was the less unhappy and destitute creature - less unhappy and destitute not only by his own consciousness, but even if measured by such objective criteria as standards of living, cultural amenities, and protection against individual starvation and disease." [LINDEMANN, Esau's, p. 11] "Throughout the Middle Ages," notes David Biale, "the Jews enjoyed considerable influence in many of the lands in which they lived... In addition to their interest Court politics, these Jews participated in political life in defense of Jewish interests." [BIALE, POWER p. 69] "The situation of the Jews in the first half of the Middle Ages," says Abram Leon, "was... extremely favorable. The Jews were considered as being a part of the upper classes in society and their juridicial position was not perceptibly different from that of the nobility." [LEON, p. 128] "At least some of the Jewish dress of the Middle Ages," adds Biale, "such as the Jewish hat, originated out of choice rather than compulsion... The yellow patch [worn by Jews]... was not originally intended as an instrument for segregating and humiliating the Jews... but to proclaim publicly that its wearer enjoyed official protection." [BIALE, POWER, p. 67] One of the privileges Jews enjoyed throughout Europe until relatively modern history was that they didn't have to serve in the local military organizations. "During the continuous wars of the sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth centuries," wrote Baron, "... the Jews were neutral and suffered few losses. If they had been combatants they might have lost more than in all the pogroms." [LIBERLES, p. 42] Yet Medieval Jews were allowed the extremely significant privilege of carrying weapons, a privilege equal to knights and one to which all commoners (the overwhelming majority of the population) were forbidden. [GOLDBERG, p. 123] Baron also noted that, while there were certainly Jews who suffered poverty, the surrounding Christian population was worse off. =====
MORE for Ronstar : ]And if the Jewish ghettos were, as widely claimed, abject holes of enforced degradation, "is it not remarkable that the most typical Ghetto in the world, the Frankfurt Judengasse, produced in the pre-Emancipation period the greatest banking house in history?" Goldschmidt - Rothchild [LIBERLES p. 45] "The Jews," says Israel Shahak, "in spite of all the persecution to which they were subjected, formed an integral part of the privileged classes... Jewish historiography, especially in English, is misleading on this point inasmuch as it tends to focus on Jewish poverty and anti-Jewish discrimination... The poorest Jewish craftsman, peddlar, landlord's steward, or petty cleric was immeasurably better off than a serf [most of the non-Jewish population]. This was especially true in those European countries where serfdom persisted until the nineteenth century, whether in a partial or extreme form: Prussia, Austria (including Hungary), Poland, and the Polan lands taken by Russia. ====
Thanks Marlowe! Your posts are always very interesting and very informative! Alexander Solzhenitsyn tells a lot about the efforts of Russian Tsars to integrate Jews into the Russian society. The Jews in Russia had more privileges than 99% of the population of Russia, because most Christians were serves. The government paid a lot of money and tried to make peasants of Jews, but this did not work. But what do we know about Jews in Russia from our media? Well, we only know about the pogroms (which were uprising of the oppressed people against the Christian oppressors (the Russian nobility) and their Jewish bailiffs. More Christians were killed in Russian pogroms, but we associate the word "pogrom" with violence against Jews. That is the reason why the book "Two Hundred Years Together" is not translated in English yet, the controllers of the Western media are afraid that the people will learn the truth about Russia. http://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Together-Complete-Edition-Volumes/dp/5969707023
looks more like an obsession to me. check out all the threads you have made about Jews and Israel: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=339569 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=338130 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=337835 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=336962 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=331897 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=326784 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=325783 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=322372 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=308949 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=308199 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=289205 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=282559 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=276648 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=273753 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=272217 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=269885 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=263173 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=261304 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=251801 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=248777 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=247687 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=224929 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=224171 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=217829 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=217676 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214781 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=211249 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=211104 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=209888 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=208268 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=206429 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=206408 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=204344 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=203530 oh yes, quite an obsession.
How long did it take you to did take you to dig that lot up. Guess it all happened after my last Holy Land Tour. when I But WTF has that got to do with this thread's TOPIC ? discovered how I've previously been lied to . ----tata..
