Since there is so much hatred for Israel by the world along with the deep desire to rid the world of that country, I wanted to see what people thought would happen if the US stopped supporting Israel and how to deal with that situation? What would happen to the Israeli's? I just want to see what the thoughts are of those who do not support Israel's existance.
Many cons on the forum support Israel, it is only the liberal progressives that rally against Israel, primarily to follow the progressive mantra. Israel is a friend to the US, and the US will continue to support Israel.
Do you mean that the US stops to fund and arm Israel officially or that the entire population stops caring?
I don't really see any anti-Israel postings. I see some people from other countries say some things but I think it is because they are anti-American. If the US stopped supporting Israel (by not funding them) I think Israel would act against Iran to try to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon... If Iran is actually building one. Israel would be better off without our influence, in my opinion. They have nukes, they have a military, they have money, they have technology. I don't think anything bad would happen to Israel.
I mean stop supporting them in every way....financially, militarily, legally (through the UN), etc.. I'm just curious if those like Moon get thier wish, what do they truly want to happen?
Your points are valid in Israel possessing their own technology, however they have very few friends in the ME. Whereas Jordan and Egypt WERE friends with Israel, that has changed with the Arab spring. Israel needs a larger support system, the US provides that. The current administration hasn't proven much support, but Dems have never really supported Israel. Drastic needed change in administration will pull much more support for Israel.
We all know what posters sympathetic to the Radical Muslims would like to happen. It is the same rhetoric stated by the leader of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. Even more reasons for the US to stand with Israel
America might gain some much needed credibility in the world and people would stop rolling on the floor laughing when one of their spokesmen says America stands for justice, freedom and democracy.
How do you see it going down? What would happen to the world? Do you think it would be a peaceful transition? Do you think the Jewish Israeli's should just walk away? How should it happen?
I think there would be a far greater prospect for peace, the greatest obstacle to peace in the Middle East has always been injustice. I think that the ordinary Jewish people and the ordinary Palestinian people want to live together in peace it's just that the Zionists and the Americans won't let them. The present situation is unnatural, it has to be maintained by military force and oppression, it is illegal under international law. Every time America uses their UN veto to block another otherwise unanimous resolution against Israel they strike another blow against peace, another blow against justice, another blow against democracy and another blow against good and for evil.
They'd have to cut their massive welfare state in order to continue funding their military. Yeah, that's right Cons. Your subsidization of Israel's military ensures that they can afford a massive socialist welfare state to include universal healthcare, government pensions, and state owned industrial monopolies. You cons who support Israel are supporting socialism.
I tire of hearing about Israel as if it's the 51st state. They attacked the USS Liberty and killed and wounded many U.S. servicemen and our government grovelled before them for it. We catch Israeli spies in our defense department routinely and we say nothing in protest. Our Presidential candidates have to go grovel before AIPAC every election. The whole thing is well beyond absurd. I feel like i'm living in the Twilight Zone. It wouldn't surprise me if the most fanatical Israeli supporters would prefer America go down in flames than their beloved little Israel, which they've never set foot on, suffer even the slightest injury. This sycophantic worship of Israel is starting to look less like a position and more like a psychological disorder. At times it borders treason.
Again, how would those who wish Israel to "go away", what path do you think can get the world there? Cast out the Jews from that land? Where would they go? What would they do?
I don't think anyone wants Israel to go away. Most that get called "anti semitic" just don't want to be bound by its fate and its ambitions. Israel has nuclear weapons (which I understand it acquired also by stealing from the U.S.A.) so it isn't going anywhere. Those of us that live in reality understand that the Israelis are not a trustworthy or honorable people. They'll use the United States until it no longer needs us and then throw us under the bus like yesterdays trash. That is the character of the state of Israel. Everyone knows our alliance with Israel is a one way street and everyone knows why U.S. policy is so committed to it none the less. Let them pay for their own social services, their own military, and let them fight their own wars.
We should cut Israel off. What happens after that is none of our business. It's too late to "get rid" of Israel. The only thing we can do is lament that they weren't given Bavaria.
Not totally true...we have the Paulies and the small number of anti-Semitic conservatives who are in bed with the far left on the issue.
Those who want to 'castout' the only Democratic country in the ME very evidently have their own UNdemocratic agenda. It's no surprise that those with a bent for Democracy wonder about their real motives. Maybe the Arab Spring will, at last, bring Democracy to the Arab World (for the Persian world we will need to wait a bit longer until they rid themselves of their fanatical demi-god).It is certainly overdue. Maybe it could take a quick lesson inDemocracy from Israel! I am sure it would be more than willing to offer advice.
How would we be casting them out? We should still trade with them. We need to stop giving them military aide while they commit war crimes. As for Israel being a democracy, how democratic is it when you have a cometsly different set of rights for half of your population? How democratic is it when you allow any member of a specific race in the world citizenship, but refuse to allow that for the race that makes up the other half your population?
Actually, I don't give a F (F for Fig) for Israel. However, Israel is our ONLY True Ally in the Mid East. We have no choice but to support Israel because it is out Tactical & Strategic base.
How many of our other "True Allies" sell our military technologies to our enemies? And how many operations have we launched from our "Tactical & Strategic base" in Israel?
Liberal idiots do not understand one of the most fundamental principles of warfare: YOU DO NOT GIVE CITIZENSHIP TO YOUR ENEMY. Just because we allow the ENEMY WITHIN to continue to grow by letting the slime immigrate into our country it doesn't mean the other countries should do the same.
So half of Israel's population is the "the enemy"? This is hilarious. You are justifying the existence of an apartheid state while simultaneously touting its "democracy"?
I don't think anyone wants Israel to go away and nobody should be cast out of anywhere, all anybody wants is justice. Just allow the four million Palestinian refugees thrown out of Israel to return, that is not giving them anything but their rights under international law. Then hold fair and free elections. Justice and democracy, that is all that is needed.
So what you're saying is that currently Israel is pretty much claiming social "benefits" from the US? That they are not following the US right mantra of working harder and cutting your coat according to your cloth. That without handouts from the US, Israel could not exist. Yet this is somehow wrong for your own citizens, who live in your country, many of whom actually need help!
I didn't think that you guys actually considered the consequence of actions? I mean, you don't when you express the desire to cut off your own peoples social welfare atc... Why do you only start to think about cause and effect when Israel is concerned?
