"Israeli actions don't influence anti-Semitism"

it is foolish to believe we are simply a religious community

 

really?

Seem to me that there are huge differences in ashkenazi culture vs sephardic culture vs levantine culture vs ethopian jewish culture vs Israeli culture vs american jewish culture. The similarities between them are almost exclusively religious based.

There is no race called "jews". Anyone of a mind to, can convert to being a jew from whatever religion they may have been.

In what way are jews more than "just" a religious community?

 

all Jews have a cultural common denominator, including Hebrew, certain foods, certain dress, and of course a long history of persecution.

 

that just isn't accurate. the cultural denominators you point out are all religious based. Many jews can't speak hebrew. Kosher is a religious edict. What certain dress, apart from Headcoverings in shul?

Persecution is also religious based or did you miss the couple of millenia of "christ killers"?

 

many cultures have dress, food, and other habits that are religiously based.

 

Yes because there is absolutely no history of anti-semitism in the Muslim works. Muslims hate Israel because it's full of Jews, they don't hate Jews because Israel exists.

 

so why do Jews hate the Palestinians, because they are Muslim?

 

"American drones killing civilians in other countries doesn't influence anti-American sentiment."

See how stupid that sounds?

 

yes of course.
There are many jewish cultures. That is the point. They share religious customs, but culturally they are different. A jew living in the Bronx has a much different culture than a jew living in Ethiopia. Likewise an ashkenazi living in Poland has a much different culture than a jew living in Israel.

 

almost 50% of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi.

 

I am aware of Israeli demographics.

Doesn't change the fact that there are many jewish cultures/ethnicities.

You have claimed that jews are more than a religious group, but you have yet to advance a reasonable explanation of what that "more" is.

 

reality doesn't follow your fine lines of what is and isn't a People.

 

I'm not aware of any polling results which show that they do.

 

Again, you offer no argument.

Is it possible you cannot articulate what makes jews a "people" other than a common religion?

 

common ancestry, history, customs, and a sense of peoplehood.

 

Jew do not have a common ancestry, at least not genetically speaking.

The history of european jews is substantially different than the history of levantine jews.

Common religious customs as one would expect. Can you identify any non-religious customs shared by all jews?

"peoplehood"? Are you suggesting simply because some jews feel "peoplehood" that alone is sufficient to categorize jews as more than a religious group?

 

how you figure?

 

spelled out.

the ashkenazi experienced european history.

the jews of the levant experienced an "oriental" history.

the ethopian jews experienced african history.

etc.

 

The extent of antisemitism among Muslims is questionable. Antony Lerman talks about it in this article

http://www.axt.org.uk/essays/Lerman.htm

This article was written several years ago before the rise in extremist groups - who are of course against everyone but themselves but basically he is suggesting that antisemitism in the Muslim world is related to the situation in Israel and has been seen to lessen significantly when that has been believed to be being resolved.

 

Yes, like everything else, when ascertaining public opinion, it is merely a contemporary snapshot.
that anti-semitism in the muslim world would "decline" to some extent is not surprising in and of itself, but if anyone thinks that a resolution in palestine would eliminate it or render it insignificant is dreaming.

 

No, I think this is missing the point, though I did realise I had made a mistake by only making bold the part that said that, hence allowing that part only to be noticed. The bulk of the quote needed to be looked at to notice what I was saying

Basically Bernard Lewis agreed by Tony Lerman believe that antisemitism from Muslims is created by the actions of Israel not classic antisemitism.

It also ought to be pointed out that not all Muslims are Jew haters otherwise this is just creating it's own kind of prejudice against Muslims. Being antisemetic towards Jews is not indigenous within the middle east. European classic antisemitism was brought over there at the time when Jews were facing this is Europe and were being expelled from Europe towards Palestine. To consider Muslims antisemetic in the same way as White Nationals is not accurate and is itself a kind of discrimination towards Muslims themselves.

Of course no one can tell what the situation will bring and Lerman himself speaks in the quote of the complex difficulties. Given that the situation there has greatly changed, particularly since the US and allies invasion of Iraq we cannot tell what the future will bring. However, if a just solution was created in Israel in general it can be expected that that would lead to a reappraisal of Jews in the Middle east. Within Israel/Palestine itself in order to overcome all the hatred on both sides it has been suggested that something similar to the truth and justice in South Africa would be necessary to psychologically heal both sides. Morsi had already apologised for expelling Jews and asked Egyptian Jews to come home.

 

Maybe he meant to say that Anti-Semitism would still exist no matter what Israel does or doesn't do.

Surely you'd agree with that!

Right?

 

For reference:

Antisemitism in the Arab world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world

 

Here is the rest of the story...

"Without Jew-hatred, Islam would self-destruct."

Nonie Darwish author is the author of The Devil We Don't Know.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/why_muslims_must_hate_jews.html

 

I would not try to lower myself futher to retort to a twisted belief.
The hate of Jews thus (anti-Semitism) has been started by Mohammad himself and is well translated with facts in the Qur'an...
I can list all the Suras in this respect if any of the readers would like to test what I reported here.


Who are the Anti-Semites
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrich to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestation of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name. "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people. Dictionaries define the term as: "Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews" and "Hostility towards Jews as a religious or racial minority group, often accompanied by social, economic and political discrimination."

The claim that Arabs as "Semites" cannot possibly be anti-Semitic is a semantic distortion that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward Jews, the most current example taking place not so long ago on a Saturday, when assailants opened fire on a bus traveling through Judea injuring five Israelis. The bus was traveling from the settlement of Kiryat Arba when assailants opened fire near the Arab village of Tarkumiya. Or, the last premeditated murder of seven Israeli soldiers and a civilian murdered by an incited, deluded Arab Bus driver who ploughed through them at a Bus Stop following the words of the Qur'an which orders them to kill the "Kafirun = non believer" for the recompense of Paradise and 72 virgins.

Also anti-Semitism,
Is prejudice against JEWS!
Before the 19th century, anti-Semitism was largely religious, based on the belief that Jews were responsible for Jesus' crucifixion. It was expressed in the later Middle Ages by sporadic persecutions and expulsions (e.g., the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492), economic restrictions (e.g., the restriction of Jews to unpopular or taboo occupations), and personal restrictions (see GHETTO). After the Jews' emancipation during the ENLIGHTENMENT, religious and economic anti-Semitism was slowly replaced in the 19th cent. by racial prejudice. All that stemmed from the idea that Judaism is a distinct race (when in reality the Jews are not a Race!).
The cultural isolation of Orthodox Jews, rising NATIONALISM, pseudoscientific theories of Aryan racial superiority, and spurious charges of Jewish domination encouraged anti-Semitism (see POGROM). These beliefs incorporated into Adolph Hitler's NATIONAL SOCIALISM, contributed to the extermination of 6 million Jews in the HOLOCAUST of World War II. Since the 1980s anti-Semitic nationalists have become more influential in Russia, Germany, and other European countries. In the U.S. anti-Semitism persists among some extreme right-wing groups and in the practice of excluding Jews from certain clubs, schools, and housing.