Israeli military says Hamas hiding tunnels, operations centres in Gaza hospital

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Not seeing you proving me wrong with a source.
     
  2. notme

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    I'm just comparing 17k to +700k, and note that the Jews ethnically cleansed a hell of a lot more in Israel.
    While you're flat out denying Jews ethnically cleansed which is typical for supporter of the Jewish state to do.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon#Egyptian_occupation
    All but about 1,000 of the town's residents were forced to leave by the time it was captured by Israeli forces as a sequel to Operation Yoav on 4 November 1948.[4] General Yigal Allon ordered the expulsion of the remaining Palestinians but the local commanders did not do so and the Arab population soon recovered to more than 2,500 due mostly to refugees slipping back and also due to the transfer of Palestinians from nearby villages.[4][8] Most of them were elderly, women, or children.[8] During the next year or so, the Palestinians were held in a confined area surrounded by barbed wire, which became commonly known as the "ghetto".[6][8][22] Moshe Dayan and Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion were in favor of expulsion, while Mapam and the Israeli labor union Histadrut objected.[4] The government offered the Palestinians positive inducements to leave, including a favorable currency exchange, but also caused panic through night-time raids.[4] The first group was deported to the Gaza Strip by truck on 17 August 1950 after an expulsion order had been served.[23]

    And subsequently Jews ethnically cleansed +700,000's of Arab civilians. Among people, the leader of Hamas whose parents were ones living normal peaceful civilian lives where the Jews build Ashkelon on the ruins of his town after they got deported. It's on Israel that he got this hate. Just like Hamas is just a reaction to the ongoing violent ways of the Jewish state to ethnic cleansing Arabs to make room for Jews.... where the Israeli laws suddenly applies on land stolen from Arabs but not before. That too is apartheid.

    You wrote "IMHO Jews have the right to take care for their own interest first" and so claim Jews are 1st class citizens in their Jewish State. That's apartheid. And that Jewish state is where Jews artificially created a massive majority though ethnic cleansing. Israel is already an apartheid state. No need to worry. It just is. Jews can go to Israeli courts and claim land outside Israel. While Arabs may not go to Israeli courts and claim their real estate from Jews inside Israel. That's the principle behind that +700,000 Arab civilians can't go back to their lands.

    You showed they joined France against the nazi occupation in WWII. It wasn't about the war in the 1960's.
    And I showed you that YOUR source says they LEFT / CHOOSE TO LEAVE.

    Indeed. And none of your questions lead to some kind of denial of it.
     
  3. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope, I am not denying that 700 thousands Palestinians were expelled/run away from their homes and the same happen to about 900 thousands Jews. I don't care how do you call forced expulsion people from their home, but the same name should be applied to Jews and Arabs, unless you are a racist and you think Jews deserve less rights than Arabs.

    As I said - you have no idea what is apartheid. Arabs expelled ALL Jews - it is pure apartheid, and your explanation that that it is not apartheid because they cannot find more Jews is ridicules. Jews did not expelled ALL Arabs, only some.
    I understand - in your world killing, raping and kidnapping women and children is justification expulsion, in my Western world - it is not. As I said before - after WWII many people found themselves as refugees, but it is the first time I hear someone claiming that refugees have a right to kill, rape and kidnap women and children.

    Again - you have no clue what apartheid is. I never claimed that Jews are first class citizens - in Israel Arabs have the same right as Jews, except - the don't have duty to serve in the army, only if they volunteer. And guess what - many Arabs volunteer and serve in Israeli army, and as matter of fact some were killed by Hamas on Oct 7. Not only Arab soldiers, Arab civilians too.
    All Israeli Arabs can go, and go to Israeli court, and some Arabs serve as judges. As I said before - Arab judge sentenced Jewish president to jail:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Karra

    You wrote: "Arabs may not go to Israeli courts and claim their real estate from Jews inside Israel", so I decided if you are telling the truth:

    Question: Can Arabs from West Bank use Israeli courts?
    AI Bard: Yes, Arabs from the West Bank can use Israeli courts. The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that all residents of the West Bank, including Arabs, have the right to access the Israeli legal system. However, there are some practical challenges that Arabs from the West Bank may face in using Israeli courts. For example, the courts are located in Israeli settlements, which can be difficult and dangerous for Arabs to access. Additionally, the courts are conducted in Hebrew, which many Arabs do not speak.

    Despite these challenges, Arabs from the West Bank do have the right to use Israeli courts. In fact, many Arabs have successfully used the Israeli legal system to challenge human rights abuses and to protect their rights.
    Here are some examples of how Arabs from the West Bank have used Israeli courts:
    • In 2010, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the Israeli government must provide adequate education to Palestinian children in the West Bank.
    • In 2012, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the Israeli government must compensate Palestinian farmers for damage caused by Israeli settlers.
    • In 2016, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the Israeli government must demolish an illegal settlement outpost in the West Bank.
    These are just a few examples of how Arabs from the West Bank have used Israeli courts to protect their rights. While there are challenges involved in using the Israeli legal system, Arabs from the West Bank do have the right to access the courts.



    No, I just showed history of Algerian Jews, which showed that Algerian Jews had the same fears for their life like Palestinians in land conquered by Jews. If Palestinians escape was considered ethnic cleansed, the same must be considered with Algerian Jews, unless you are a racist and you think Jews deserve less rights.
     
  4. notme

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    The hell? You previously wrote "your 700 thousand Palestinians 'ethnically cleansed' Palestinians is fake."
    Being expelled is being ethnically cleansed.


    Israeli courts give Jews the opportunity to get their real estate back from where they got ethnically cleansed.
    Arabs don't get to do that in Israeli courts. So this is clearly apartheid that based on ethnicity Jews get to have more rights than Arabs.

    Go ask if Arabs who got ethnically cleansed can get their real estate in Israel back through court procedures.

    How it was up and in during WWII. You're not saying jack all what Jews did during the civil war / independence war.
    While I QUOTED... YOUR SOURCE... that Jews ... CHOOSE to LEAVE.
    It starts to be outright childish to keep on ignoring this and claim something else happened.
     

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