Israeli scientist Daniel Shechtman won the 2011 Nobel Prize in chemistry

Don't attribute to me what I've never said.
If you have a list of Arab science Nobel winners, please provide it.
Up until now you failed to provide such a list while I was more than able.
I'll even make it easy to you, go for Muslim science Nobel winners.

 

Behold.

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)
Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)
Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

 

sorry sweetie - you have made a claim that effectively there are no Arab nobel prize winners since the 1950's.

back it up, or withdraw it.

 

Someone is grasping at straws . The 1.4 billion strong Muslim world has produced 2 (TWO) Nobel Prize winners in hard sciences. The Jews have produced 5 Nobel Prize winners in hard sciences this (2011) year alone, tiny besieged Israel has produced 6 winners in less than 10 years.

 

that is neither here nor there.

if someone claims to have looked at all the lists and identified NO Arab nobel prize winners, then he is clearly telling porky pies.

there are a number of reasons why some nations/groups are more represented among Nobel prize winners, none of which reflects on the intelliegenc or capacity of people belonging to that group in particular.

The guy this thread is about clearly deserves his prize - as I have said previously - but that doesn't mean every Israeli can ride on his coat tails as if they won it, and it isn't really a basis for bashing kazakhs or arabs or patagonions for not winning a prize.

 

You are absolutely right, it's got very little to do with intelligence. it's got everything to do with culture and mentality - the culture of life, science, education, self-betterment, progress, innovation, dedication and excellent work ethics in one case...and the culture which is not adhering to any of these principles, the culture stuck in the fanatical beliefs of the 7th century, the culture of oppression, religious tyranny, close-mindedness, prejudice and stagnation in the other case...

 

but then again - in recent years we have been seeing an influx of students working at postgrad levels from this region into western universities, and more liaison between academics of this region - so within 50 years, the intellectual "landscape" may well change, and we may see more and more Arab, Muslim, buddhist, Hindu, Chinese, etc etc nobel prizewinners.

based on the presence of these postgrads today, we will be seeing a helluva lot more nobel prize winners among these groups. these people have very high cultural and intellectual values as do most people who engage in postgrad research degrees and post doctoral fellowships, and many are working on highly innovative projects in a range of disciplines.

It would have been interesting to see how Israel may have fared in the Nobel prize stakes had it not had the support from the US - or the influx of highly skilled and educated Russian Jews over the last few decades.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. So far it's nothing more than wishful thinking, nothing more, I don't hold my breath but will be happy to be proven wrong.

A major award (like the Nobel Prize) while granted to an individual is usually the result of the entire nation's obsession with education, science, technology, innovation, research...Only then, only in such culture one individual may eventually emerge to pull off a major discovery. A small (relative to population) number of individuals working at postgrad levels is not nearly enough to assure a steady stream of the "brightest scientific minds" on the planet, they may get lucky once or twice but that will be about it. I do expect a lot of future Nobel laureates coming from China and India...the Muslim world not so much.

 

sorry. there are quite a few American Nobel laureates - however the US scores badly on international educational comparisons, and there is no evidence that the US (culturally) is obsessed with education, science, technology, innovation, research.

as educational and research opportunities develop within a country (which can often be driven by economic considerations) you see an increase in the participation rate in higher learning, and uou see that country attract highly qualified teaching staff for its universities.


I can tell you know very little about the tertiary education sector.

And btw - I hate the way people are trying to use this guys winning a prize - deservedly so - as a means to point score another agenda.

I think it shows an amazing level of disrespect for a scientist who deserves kudos and recognition for his work - AND for staying the pace despite opposition from within the field.

 

America is a huge country with very large and diverse population, there are large segments of the society which remain obsessed with science and education. The fact is Jewish-Americans are responsible for 1/3 of all american Nobel prize awards and they are certainly not the only such group.

While american high school education is degrading indeed, it's higher education is still the best in the world by far, fully 70% of top 100 colleges in the world are in the US and they have plenty of science, education, innovation obsessed high school graduates to choose from. Immigration helps too as the US is the magnet for the best and brightest scientists (and high school graduates) from all over the world as well and these are the things that keep fueling American science and consequently success in winning Nobel prizes.

 

We make a very good point, IE Arabs contribute virtually nothing in terms of science, compared to Israeli's / Jews.

Israel has more use then the combined Islamic World combined.

 

Iran showing fastest scientific growth of any country
http://www.newscientist.com/article...fastest-scientific-growth-of-any-country.html

 

I know:

http://www.aaiusa.org/pages/demographics/

 

So what is your point? Is this more 'Jews are best' triumphalism? 'Tiny, besieged Israel'

 

Funny, ancient Israel isn't known for changing the world in terms of science and maths, all of which without we would most likely not be as advanced as we are today. I could think of a few nations/peoples who were known for that though and none of them were Jewish.

Ancient peoples of Arabic, Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Indian, and Chinese cultures are though, probably a lot more nations whom have contributed to our modern life hundreds/thousands years ago too, but I don't remember them originating from the Jewish "master race".

 

so if i have the math even einstein was seeking and the whole of the nobel and scientific community combined, does that make me the 'king of the jews'?

or even worst, there are bigots that believe israel is theirs by god, from literature of BC..... talk about old nonsense, i can agree that lots of idiots follow some pretty stupid beliefs.

like creating a concentration camp (gaza)?

like teaching their children they are better than others, let alone clipping the forskin of a child in some ritual to a 'god', in which the pharoah of egypt is the 'god' that required it almost 4500 yrs ago (2500 BC)

have braats lying until dead because they do not want to evolve

they being just stupid, by choice and then willing to put their lives upon lies.



I agree, some idiots are lifers

But again, if i had the math to combine all the disciplines of the science, would i be the king of the jews?

 

if you look at history there have been some pretty important Jewish figures - maimonides springs to mind.

mind you - he was lucky he lived under Muslim rule, he would never have had those opportunities a few centuries later when the christians were in charge.

 

Of course there are. Peoples from cultures all over the world have contributed to technological advances, and other important achievements, I just don't like the tone of people trying to make out the Jews are better than other religious people because some Jews have made good contributions to humanities development.

 

Islam is a restrictive culture so it's not a shock when we see that there are very few muslim winners of Nobel Prizes. I understand that the politically correct will dispute that, but they can't back it up with facts.

 

??? master race ????
Did you read too many racists books lately ?

There is no master race, only people who's culture advocates knowledge or ignorance. Is learning considered a virtue or a sin by your culture.
What is more revered by your community ?
Learning ? Wealth ? tradition ?

Chinese were ahead of everybody by 2000 years, and they fell back. Why was it ?
Egypt and Iraq were great civilizations 4000 years ago, look at them now.
Europe (Greece, Rome) was leading 2000 years ago, and fell like a block for 1000 years. What made it fall ? Christianity ?
ancient Israel, was nothing special, just a corridor the great powers had to pass whenever they prayed one on the other.

 

I'd say tradition, but I don't really mix much with society to be honest, since most people are so material orientated, it's hard to meet people without jealousy and bitterness, following behind, or meeting people who are genuine and not completely superficial and egocentric.

 

fact

fair

and what most of the debating here is about.

the bigots cant get that thru their heads

 

My slaves are so lucky, I never beat them on Fridays.

 

did you notice the Nobel on PEACE is from muslims.

that nobel of the OP was based on an accident. A discovery he noted in a lab, that broke the back of the existing beliefs.

He did not predict it.

I pointed out how anyone can see the same thing; snow flakes

And to read up on the history, the math existed (per se) 500 years ago as pattern is found on a muslim temple, representing it.

Nano technology and even the 'growing' of carbon nano tubes have shared the same change to the 'paradigm'

the fact is, idiots need prizes to share their accomplishments............

the 'peace' prize awarded last week was for 'people' to benefit, not someone pocket book.

and then when the Iron Women heard she (they) are to recieve the prize, the woman is donating her gains to the 'people'.

ya see, idiots think good, means recognition..............

If i wanted recognition and money, i would own the world!


and people that represent BS like your post would be hunted down; to be used for fertilizer......

 

so basically - you haven't got a clue?

thought so.

your poisonous obsession with demonising all muslims makes you look like Breivik light.

there is a lot of that here.