Israel's Prisoner X - what was his crime ?

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither are you it seems.
     
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    Congratulations , for finally managing to drag me down to your level.

    Byeeees.
     
  3. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about the ones that call themselves Israeli/Aussis or Israeli/British. why just centre out x/Israelis?
    Why not expel all dual nationals? How can you be sure of their loyalites if push came to shove?
    why not just expel all the "undesirables" on whatever arbitrary list you so choose? Oh I spoke to soon.

    So based on perceived nefarious plotting, you are suggesting that people of like mind with yourself will organically grow additional pairs of appendages (arms) to take the law (where none currently even exists) into their own hands to some how "remove" a multifarious collection of undesirables.

    Hmmmmm. that sure sounds familiar, I just can't..............oh, right, of course.
     
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    IN all honesty - I've not come across terms pre- Israeli-

    Israeli British or Israel-Canadians etc.etc - they seem not to mention their Israeli origins as a prefix .


    Nevertheless , I'm inclined not to trust people with dual loyalities those claiming to serve two masters + I'd question , which master will they serve when the two masters disagree. ??????

    IN which master's interest will they serve ?

    ...hhmmmmm


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    Because I am fairly satifised that Italians of Scottish stock, are not a subversive force in our body politic, media, or economy, leading us astray, for the furtherment of a few rich Italians and Italy.
     
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    It's called human nature. It is not the JDL in isolation, although I note that despite them being mentioned a few times, you refuse to condemn them, and call them what they are, terrorist thugs, that need to be placed under immediate arrest, and all of their operatives, in all North American and European lands.

    Why do you give a free pass to Jewish terrorists, Jonsa, both inside and outside of Israel?

    Why do you think non Jews should tolerate threats, fire bombs, pipe bombs, just because it is the Jews?

    Is that your stance?

    How do you think Israel would respond to a Gentile Defence League inside of Israel, huh?
     
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    Any honest Jew(?), will tell you that they are raised, something as follows.

    You are a Jew first and foremost. Nothing comes close to that, and you are expected to fall in line with that, to whatever degree.

    If that means having to work against the host nation, they will do it.

    And often it does mean that, as you can see very easily.
     
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    You could say that with a lot of religious peoples, you can't just single out jews.
     
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    Most so-called "Jews "( majority ) are -non-observent - not religious
     
  10. Jack Napier

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    That's not true.

    Catholics do not take an oath, nor are they educated, to work against the land that they were born, and it's people.

    Nor do Protestants.

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    This too.

    They are political subversives, not religous, albeit they oft use the latter to hide their crimes.
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying to be Jewish one is required to take an oath to work against the countries they are born or live in? Where are you getting this?
     
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    I have said.

    They are raised, and socially pressured actually, to be loyal to Jews, above and over anyone or anything else.
     
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    ???

    You asked me how they are raised to be.

    I told you how.

    I was not raised to work against my country, and NOT the people in it, most certainly.
     
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    They? You mean all religious peoples.

    Catholics, Christians, and Muslims all put their Faith and Family before their country. Not just Jews
     
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    To political leaders religion ( more accurately a belief system ) - is a convenient tool - a weapon .

    On the other hand to many others , its a crutch, but if the crutch helps getting them along the way , t that O K - at least its better than those other SOBs who' re exploiting it, to furher their political aims - INNIT ?
     
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    My mother is a RC.

    She does not work, and never has worked against my people, to further Catholicism, esp through spying, firebombs, and death threats.

    Stick around, one day you may get there...:roll:
     
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    The Jews are the last people on the planet to use the religion card and be taken seriously, and here is why.

    Hertzl, all of the so called Zionist Jews were atheists, they knew they had no religous claim on the land, therefore, they needed another set of reasons to create a 'homeland for the Jews', since the religous reasons were clearly just a lie, any moron that takes the time to understand, can speedily see that this is actually an abomination of true Torah teachings, which state, beyond doubt, that to create a material state for Jews is FORBIDDEN.
     
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    How many ex=pat Israelis have you run across?


    I think every human has multiple loyalties. Its the way we are built. Loyalty to family, clan/tribe, nation, god if you're so inclined, friends, political party, some even to their race and on and on. Its merely a matter of individual priority.

    How does a third party meaningfully measure an individuals internal prioritization as to whom he may serve first?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what about Pakistanis of scottish stock? Or Iranians, or chinese, or koreans of scottish stock? Could they not be subversive forces within your society for the furtherment of their own homeland/religion?

    I will say your preferred "solution" is extremely simple. It requires no evidence of anything other than a particular country of origin.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you are simply being foolish. Tell me Jack, when was the last time the JDL was accused of an act of terrorism? How long ago was that?

    Are they thugs and hooligans? I don't know nor do I care, but they have very strongly rejected terrorism and embrace violence only in self defence. They are inconsequential in the political dialogue of the day and condemned by all of the major jewish organizations in North America.

    Other than providing fodder and focus for you and yours, whatever actions they have taken in the past decade are microblips on the radar screen.

    But I suppose you consider once a terrorist organiation always a terrorist organization, eh?

    I have never given any jewish terrorist or any terrorist for that matter a free pass. Would you care to back up that allegation with fact please?


    do you honestly think that begging the question will work with me?

    By kicking the crap out of it?
     
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    The JDL are terrorists, and thugs, who have been active in the US, and who today issue death threats.

    It shall not be tolerated. When there is a reaction, that is fair and just.
     
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    Re : Lord Sainsbury + his offspring or any other similars .

    If a Jew (i.e. whose mother was Jewish) and who by his/her own free will -, converted to Christianity or any other faith - will he/she still be classified as a Jew ?
    Would he or his children qualify to become Israeli citizens ?

    Would they still qualify for Israel's "right of return" - a right which is denied to Palestinians ?

    ...
     
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    Lord Sainsbury is a jew. mea culpa.
    His offspring are not.
     
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    That's their choice, however if at some time they wish to do Aliyah
    they'll very likely qualify as jews + claim -right of return - a privilege/right - denied to non-Jew Palestinians.

    Both grand-parents were Jews and papa is buried on Mount of Olives.
    Of course someone with your enormous knowledge already knew that , didnt you ?
     

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