Israel's Prisoner X - what was his crime ?

able to report on anything that goes on with the exception of any story that threatens national security.
However, there is an appeal process for military censor decisions.

Its a "formal" restriction versus the informal restrictions that happen in the US, UK, and other countries.

 

Neat caveat, almost Kosher in nature.

 

Are you suggesting that the government of UK is almost Kosher?

 

They are 100% 'Kosher approved'.

No question there.

At all.

And worse than that, so was Labour, indeed, something not commonly reported is that in 1997, Tony Blair was prior to him being elected as Prime Minister. The man in charge of donations to Blair’s, “private office,” donations which reached the princely sum of seven million pounds, was none other than Blair’s tennis partner, Michael Levy. Furthermore, Levy agreed to raise large sums of money for the Labour Party, so long as they never became, “anti-Israel,” whilst Blair is leader.

Interestingly Blair was initially introduced to Levy at a dinner party in 1994, by Gideon Meir, a senior Israeli diplomat. Levy has also acted as a fundraiser for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and both his children live in Israel. David Sainsbury, becomes the Labour Party’s single largest donator that year when he donated one million pounds to the party. Co incidentally both Levy and Sainsbury are given life peerages and become Lords, following Blair’s election victory.

Michael Abraham Levy, Baron Levy, (born 11 July 1944) is President of Community Service Volunteers (CSV) Jewish Care, Jewish Free School (JFS) and Jewish Lads' and Girls' Brigade (JLGB).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levy,_Baron_Levy

Gideon Meir (Hebrew: גדעון מאיר&#8206 is an Israeli diplomat.

Born in Jerusalem. He served in the Israel Defense Forces from 1965-1967.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Meir

 

What kind of nonsense is this? Of course in the context on this discussion "the Jews" does not mean every single jew ever living on this planet, "The Jews" means the ethnicity, the religion, the race if you will. As a unique and distinct group of people the Jews living in diaspora all over the world for 2000 years had never experienced hatred towards any other group of people or individuals as a matter or policy or religious beliefs, had never persecuted anyone. Of course like everyone else the Jews have had bad apples but that has nothing to do with the argument I was making.

 

Muddled thinking.

Are you referring to the jews as a religious group or an ethinicity which includes secular jews?

You seem to fall into the trap of attempting to paint a universal picture of jews, when none really exists. there are varying degrees of religiosity from ultra orthodox to atheist. There are a number of genetic pools from which jews arise.

Only an ignorant idiot would deny the persecution of jews thru the millenia. The prejudice and persecution did not differentiate between these degrees of jewishness or genetic origin.

And now, along you come essentially the same thing in reverse. You don't differentiate between different types of jews when you claim that any bigotry on the part of jews was and is a result of a few bad apples.

Did the russian jews hate the cossaks? did the atheist political jews of the russian revolution hate just about everybody? are there big numbers of american jews who hate black people? are there big numbers of israeli jews who hate black jews in Israel?

As for religious teachings, seems rabbinic law can be just as hateful as some of its more odious teachings and opinons promote the idea of jewish superiority and excuse abuse of goyim. The argument can be made that orthodox jewry by embracing its own religous teachings is bigoted. Of course this kind of religious institutional hatred is inbred in ALL religions.

All of which simply underscores the FACT that jews are just another bunch of human beings, exhibiting the best and worst of human nature.

 

so Britain doesn't have a free press, because there's a few jews running around supporting various politica parties and politicians.

gotta tell jackie, that is one helluva implausible stretch. Not your longest one, but certainly top 5.

BTW Sainsbury isnt a jew.

 

If this were true Canada would be different from the USA. A Pew survey last year I think found that US Muslims put their loyalty to the US and Islam equal whereas US Christians put Christianity above their loyalty to the US.

 

Yes, we are different from the USA in more ways than we are the same.

 

That is not the issue. Clearly if Muslims in Canada have less loyalty to Canada than Muslims in the US there must be a reason specific to Canada or Canada's Muslims for this. I need to ask you to provide proof. Even though you covered yourself by saying 'a small number' as this could be said of absolutely any Nationality or ethnicity or religion for you to pick out Muslims specifically, you would need to provide some statistics to show this is other than simply prejudice.

 

My original response was to the post implying that the Jews were (are) hated because they hate. Nothing can be further from the truth and that was the point I addressed. You are the one who is muddying the waters with your unrelated posts about bad apples among Jews or Jews not being a monolith group of people.

 

WATCH LIVE NOW!!!!

Bail hearing verdict is on NOW!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21544275#TWEET619936

 

It would be more accurate to ask me, does the British establishment and media get a free pass? To which I would clearly answer, 'No, they most certainly do not'.

I feel nothing for the establishment. They may wear my face. They may talk in my voice. It makes no odds to me.

 

This is a perfect example of my problem with you.

This is what I posted:
IIRC, there hasn't been a situation where a Canadian jew's loyalty to canada has been publically questioned, although logic dictates that like some lebanese Canadians, and chinese canadians, scottish canadians and german canadians and indian canadians, etc. there are those that feel greater loyalty to their ancestral homeland than they do to their new country. Why, there's even a small number of muslims whose loyalty is to Islam before Canada.

You then decide that I have piced out muslims specifically! And then demand that I prove I am not prejudice!

I don't know whether this is a deliberate tactic on your part, or you have some form of cognitive disonnance, but either way, in the future, when you do this, do not expect a reply.

 

HUH ?


Wiki says " John Benjamin Sainsbury married Mabel Van den Bergh, an heiress from a Dutch Jewish family "

If Jewishness is matriarchal as some claim , den Vot ?

btw - Freedom of the press belong to + like it or not , is controlled by the owners of the press .

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When did Mr All Round Nice Guy And Poster Child of Image Suckers, Koffi Annan's career really start to jettison..?

In 1965 Kofi Annan married Titi Alakija, a Nigerian woman from a well-to-do family. Several years later they had a daughter Ama and later a son Kojo. The couple separated in the late seventies. In 1984 Annan remarried to Nane Lagergren - a Swedish lawyer at the U.N. and niece of Raoul Wallenberg..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2006/jun/16/privateequity

 

As unusual as it might seem Jonsa, I agree with the above.
Just a note or two... the Ethiopian Jews mesh well in the IDF and now we can elate ourselves to have the first Ethiopian lady Pilot in the Israel Air Force.

The other thing is the following, the few atheists in Israel are proud to call themselves Jews.

Women in the IDF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

 

Maybe somebody should ask him if he's a jew because he sure doesn't act like one, and he didn't marry one and his kids are jews.

Depending on your definition of control, of course the owners control their property. OTOH, consider it like a sports franchise. the owner hires a general manager who hires a coach and GM and perhaps the coach go out and sign players to contracts. Usually the GM must get financial approval for acquisitions and contracts, but he's paid to make the decisions. Usually the coach is given the responsibility to mould the players into a successful team, letting the GM know what players he needs or want to get rid of.

the successful franchise owners are typically the ones that allow their GM's and organizations to make the day to day operational decisions and exercises their power rarely usually focussed on the senior personnel of the organization and when necessary the financial decisions.

The Media Owner, hires and fires - The Managing Editor (GM), who hires and fires the Department Managers and Editors (coaches) who create the game plans for the reporters, the stingers, the photographers, {the player)etc. of the reputable publications behave in more or less the same fashion.

But of course, you prefer a simpler and more sinister interpretation formed without any real experience in or knowledge of the industry in question.

 

Ever heard of crypto /conversos and of people who would claim identities to whatever suits their best interests - and deny anything which might prove to their disadvantage.

."Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) is a Westminster based pro-Israel lobby group working within the British Labour party which exercises significant influence over British Middle East policy. It is considered one of the most prestigious groupings in the party and is seen as a stepping stone to ministerial ranks by Labour MPs. LFI boasts some of the wealthiest supporters of the party, and some of its most generous donors, such as Lord Sainsbury of Turville, Michael Levy, Sir Trevor Chinn and Sir Emmanuel Kaye

Remember Robert Maxwell the media owner tycoon- who for many years claimed to be christian coz he attended church with French Protestant - wife + children raised as non-Jews ? He was given what amounted to a state funeral in Israel buried on Mount of Olives .


Jonsa - please dont expect truthful answers from million/billionnaires . Check on Maxwell - he's favourite saying was "Would I lie to you " ?

You're right I've no " real experience in or knowledge of the industry in question " but unlike you I'm less prepared to swallow without cross referencing everything the media churns out, .

 

That's another falsehood :

"A news item last week called attention to a painful Israeli social problem. Israel’s 125,000-strong Ethiopian Jewish community has about 5,600 of its sons and daughters serving in the IDF. The enlistment rate for this community is significantly higher than among the general population. But according to IDF radio, 50 percent of those young men and women, a shockingly high percentage, spend time in military jails in the course of their service.

The IDF’s record of integrating its Ethiopian Jewish recruits is mixed. A few findings of a Knesset research study from a year ago illustrate the problem. About 20 percent do not complete their full term of service, five percent higher than for the general population of soldiers. Most of these were cases of soldiers going AWOL. At any given time, Ethiopian Jewish soldiers make up about 11 percent of the total number of Israeli soldiers who are incarcerated.

About a year ago Haaretz reported that the main causes of desertion are poverty and cultural differences. Many Ethiopian Jewish families still live in dire economic conditions. The salary of teenage children can be an important component of family income. The army has several service paths that allow soldiers from such backgrounds to spend considerable time working at home and helping to provide for their families. There are also special welfare payments. But many young soldiers feel overwhelmed with guilt at not being available to support their families. As a result, they go AWOL and find work.

Kosher source :

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ethiopian-jews-and-the-idf/


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In your world, I suppose all the villians are crypto jews.
I don't recall him ever denouncing his jewishness, nor keeping it secret.

Well that is certainly amazing. You don't seem to have any problem with say RTnews and even support posts from PressTV. I can imagine you diligently cross referencing those "unbaised" stories, from these "free" sources.

You didn't seem to have any problems at all in posting "stories" about holocaust revisionism, and in particular stories that were totally and completely debunked, and had been for years.

Its always amusing when one of you get on your self righteous high horse, thinking that your past performances are for long forgotten.

I do find it amusing that you admit to having no real knowledge or experience in the media industry, but claim to be such an accurate arbiter of unbiased reportage. But like many erzatz critics, you do seem to know what you like and dislike regardless of validity, accuracy, quality, logic and "truthiness".

 

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Jonsa - fer fux sake , when will you stop your stupid diversionery tactics ?


GET it thru your head, the thread is not about me . - I really dont give a toss what [you ]think of me. Do you think you can stick to the fooking subject under discussion , instead of constantly turning PERSONAL .?

I Repeat - whatever you choose think abt ME is fuking boringly irrelevent . Let's see if you can post something informative .

 

As soon as you respond using reference to a first person action, you are actually engaging in discussion about youself. LIkewise for me and everyone else around here. You can't have it both ways Marlowe.

You call it diversionary tactics,

I call it holding you to the same standard and account as you hold others. Seems you can't really take it when you are on the other side.

And for someone who views my posts as "fuking boringly irrelevent", you're immediate response and seeming upset at them belies such a statement.

I would be most appreciative if you could enlighten me on how to discuss specific instances of bigotry and bias without discussing the bigot and/or source.

How do you respond to outrageous, uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion without questioning the motivations, expertise and knowledge of the subjects that the holders of those opinions possess?

Me, I tend not to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)foot around and call a spade a spade and an idiot a rocket surgeon.

 

Imo, we need to expel the dual nationals who called themselves Aussie/Israeli, or British Israeli.

We certainly should give them no platform or dominion of our media, and we should surely not tolerate their nefarious ways, their threats to our journalists, or to our people, via their thuggish groups like the JDL and others.

If the police will not act to defend people from such things, in non Jewish lands, then it is inevitable that organically, something will grow, almost by itself.

 

Still - not posting anything informative .let's See if you can concentrate on the subject under discussion

Go back on our exchanges and tell me who was the first of us to go off topic.

Nuff said . byeee