It’s Official: Trump’s ‘Impenetrable’ Border Wall Is An Expensive Failure

The wall was being constructed. Biden halted construction. There is still billions of dollars worth of material going to waste.

 

This is not a rebuttal of what I posted, it's a deflection. The first and second year of the Trump Admin, the R Congress blocked these attempts.

 

That does not change the fact that Biden stopped construction of the wall and the material was already purchased.

 

Was the labor cost already prepaid too? I don't know about wall construction but for house renos usually the cost of hiring the trades is much higher than the materials.

 

But what it clearly demonstrates is The R Congress under Trump thought the wall was ineffective and simply a campaign prop. I am going to assume that Biden simply stopped misappropriating the funds Congress had earmarked for the military budget that the Trump Admin simply misappropriated despite Congress' purse strings..

 

House renos includes deconstruction. Generally for new construction, material cost is as high or higher than labor. Especially since the wall was prefabricated.

But the wall was working. I am not sure whether that has the same meaning for the democrats.

 

Then Democrats building over 900 miles of it makes them idiots?

 

This is where I thought the construction cost would be much higher for the wall than something like a home reno. To build a wall you need to hire a lot a very expensive heavy machinery and crews. To hire those and to bring them to remote locations along the border would seem extremely expensive. Also I am not sure if those workers can easily go home after each shift or if you need to provide some type of camp or housing which would again could seriously increase the cost. I know there are a ton of people here that have worked in construction that could answer this much better than my guessing based on our home kitchen and bathroom renos.

I agree in the sense people in the thread are basing this solely on the number of times the wall was breached. Even if the number the op provided was correct you need to consider the number of cases the wall successfully kept people out. This is not a binary in/out type of problem. People need to analysis the total cost and benefits before making any decisions.

 

But it does not take a large number of people. Regardless, the wall was working according to the border patrol. Cancelling it on "Day One" for no other reason than it was a Trump landmark was extremely stupid and short sighted. Now, we have a flood of illegals along with drugs across the border because the welcome mat is out.

 

That's a claim that you cannot substantiate; it's being breached as per the OP article. And, BTW, I don't think illegals should be allowed to cross the border unless they are truly refugees. Need to up drone coverage and response time and then Congress needs to act.

 

And why did they put a fence around the capitol?

Top elected Democrats sure do love walls around their palatial estates.

 

And the Obama administration also got caught manipulating the statistics

 

Uh oh be careful.... You're agreeing with Trump

 

A drone finds them and before the border patrol get to them they are long gone. With a wall they are slowed down. Walls have worked for thousands of years. Now the democrats declare they no longer work.

 

I've been meaning to read that book.

 

I wasn't making the false comparison, you were, and your reply is not a counter argument.

 

Grow up

 

So to conclusion from your post is that a door is as useless as a wall, yes?

 

Most fences and walls around a house is for privacy not security

 

That's because Biden is failing to protect the wall. He knows this and that's he is adding more surveillance and technology.

 

There are things that the old democrat party did was good and they did well. This new party is just phsyco and Incompetent.

 

The logical implication from my post is that not being 100% infallible does not mean that it is not therefore worth taking a step that reduces the risk of break ins. Unless of course you do not believe in locking a door which is similarly not 100% at stopping all incursions. At that point though, in order to be logically consistent, you would need to conclude that murder laws are useless because some people get away with it, and car brakes are a waste because they do not ALWAYS stop us before hitting an object. If 100% were the only successful outcome, then almost nothing would exist because very little in life is 100%.

Do you have a lock on your door? Why?

 

According to your post in 15 years time 75% of homes will be broken in to each year. So a locked door is pointless

I have a lock on my door to make me FEEL safer, a burglar can bypass any lock easily just using brute force

 

So you believe that a lock is pointless, but you use one because it makes you "feel" safe. This obviously is illogical because if you truly believe that it is useless, there is not a logical reason why something you "know" to be useless would make you feel safe, but hey, you do you.

I use one because it cuts down on the odds of being broken into, and for those that simply kick in the door, that act alone will make them more likely to be caught because of the attention it would draw.

I would say my position is EMININTLY more logical than yours.

 

Ok folks the purpose of a wall in military terms isn't to keep everyone out it is to delay entry until reinforcements arrive if you aren't going to send reinforcements which clearly the Dems aren't doing then of course it doesn't matter a damn.