It Shouldn't Be Taboo To Criticize Religious Beliefs

really, the Europeans wanted to convert or kill those on America, convert or kill was big business in the old days

 

I'm talking in my lifetime. I'm 68 yrs old.

 

During the Iraq and Afghanistan wars this was a CONSTANT theme. The Taliban government of Afghanistan that we went to war against were NOT terrorists.

And, Saddam Hussein opposed terrorism to every extent within his power. The last thing he wanted was to have some bunch of terrorists creating a justification for the US to slaughter them.

Maybe you were too young for that era.

We didn't just come out and say that the war was because of Christianity v. Islam. That doesn't work. But, people DID see that as a justification. And, in the end the war was strongly influenced by popular opinion of Islam. In the joint congressional resolution that allowed Bush to make the war decision, he was also directed that if he DID choose war, he had to explain why. He never did that.

To claim that Christianity hasn't been a strong element in our war decisions is nonsense. Even just being a Muslim in America was dangerous - more dangerous than it is even today.

 

We have to look at the lifetime of the Religion... but....

Bush and Rumsfeld did with Iraq, just posted a link above

here is another

Bush started the war in Iraq as he believed God wanted him to do it

 

Iraq and Afghanistan were both billed as war on terrorism, not religion. Just because Bush was a Christian doesn't translate into it being a Christian war. You are simply mistaken.

 

Bush supposedly prayed about it. It's a heavy decision to send our young men and women into battle. Most presidents will do what he did and pray. It was a war against terrorism, not religion.

 

The fact that Bush stated that he prayed before ordering the slaughter doesn't disconnect the order from religion. In fact, it is what one would expect if religion was the issue.

The Taliban were not terrorists and there was essentially zero terrorism in Iraq. Again, Saddam opposed terrorism to the greatest of his ability.

Post 911, America HATED Muslims to the extent that no other justification for or against slaughter was of any interest.

Why did Bush not follow the congressional directive on Iraq that stated that if he DID choose war, he needed to state why?

Surely if there had been a solid reason for conquering Iraq that could be stated, he would have stated it.

 

Sounds like you're a terrorist apologist. If that's the case, we're done here.

 

I would say Afghanistan had to do with the war on terror. Iraq had nothing to do with it. It was all about getting more money for the MIC. Though, by the end of it we managed to create a lot of terrorists.

 

I get told how much I hate Muslims every time I try to criticize Islam so I agree you should be allowed to be critical of religion.

Somehow though I think this is only going to apply people who criticize Christianity.

 

I think the reason behind that first and foremost is that Islam and Christianity don't exactly get along from a theology standpoint.

But Islam has a much more pronounced tendency to become fundamentalist.

I think what it really all gets down to is Islam isn't dad's religion, or Grandpa's religion or white people's religion despite the fact that white people can be Muslim.

Which is actually another component to this they see Muslims as brown people. So if they want to throw gays off a cliff it's okay because they weren't part of European expansion they were part of Islamic expansion that happened during the dark ages.

 

It can be rude to do it, but I have never heard anybody proclaim it taboo. I hear religious people criticizing other denominations and churches more than I hear atheists or other religions piling on Christianity TBH. Happened to me today as a matter of fact (well technically yesterday now that it is after midnight). As soon as I mentioned going to a Methodist church I had some Pentecostal Holiness dude start in on how the Methodists are practically the devil because they are just a bunch of liberals, yada yada.

 

A good number of atheists support killing others for having faith, about 100 million dead for their faith in the 20th centuy. Sounds like athrists are the real problem.

 

Um.........the Crusades?

 

What is this "good number"?

 

Billions.

 

Since the idea of a video talking about religious inspired hatred and violence, seems to promise little new, I did not invest my time in watching it; instead, I am replying to your title, "It Shouldn't Be Taboo To Criticize Religious Beliefs."

The way to remove taboos, is to break them, and hope that others follow your lead. IOW, waiting for society to come along and say, "you know, you're right-- we're going to eliminate that as being taboo," is a pretty useless course of action.

 

Bush believed his God told him to go to war with the Muslims, yes.... that is what we are saying and it was more then just that

 

Did our government go to war with Indonesia. or India, or Bangladesh which I believe are the three countries with the largest Muslim populations? No? Strange that if Bush took us to "war with the Mulims" he'd leave out those more than half a billion Muslims.

 

Nobody went to war with the Muslims at least not after the 14th century.

The Muslims isn't a country. In fact both countries in that war both militaries had both Muslims and Christians in it possibly some Hindus and atheists Jewish people and so forth.

 

Bush did, and many republicans wanted to for that very reason, even republicans on this board - they thought we would win and convert them

 

it was about religion....

fanatical Christians attack fellow Christians for "looking" Muslim

https://www.salon.com/2010/06/07/ground_zero_mosque_hate/

 

@mswan had the best response to your claims here . . .

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ligious-beliefs.611600/page-2#post-1074299452

. . . so I'll let it speak for me.

 

I disagree. The reasons were more pragmatic: Israeli security, profits for defense contractors (like Cheney's old Raytheon), and, of course, oil.

 

Actually Christians supported it and didn't support it. The war itself had nothing to do with religion....so I don't get your logic.