It Shouldn't Be Taboo To Criticize Religious Beliefs

just because we do not fight all Muslims at one time, doesn't mean they did not fight them because they were Muslim, and they hoped to convert them to Christianity

 

could be, but religion was also involved as the links I provided proved

 

of course, not all Muslims supported 9-11 either.... not saying all Christians did support it, I know many that did not

 

The war was not against Muslims, but the extremists that were active terrorists. The dictinction was very clear. Seeing as how many Muslims live in the US, do you really think Bush could have gotten the support that he got?

 

I'm saying...religion had nothing to do with the US 's Iraq War. Nothing.

Islam and pleasing Allah was the reason for those men to target the US on 911.

It's disingenuous to equalize them and not accurate to equalize belief systems.

You rail hatred against Christianity which built western civilization. Islam built the Islamic nations. And building a country without the values derived from worshiping a higher power created N.Korea and the old USSR. Heck even China allows government controlled Christianity....they see the value in doing so.

In my opinion someone who hates Christianity doesn't appreciate the freedoms and privileges that they enjoy everyday from living in a western society. We still have the blessing until the majority drop the values that come with Christianity.

After US is established God free people here will have a much different way of life.

 

I only listened to his opening. He begins with a falsehood by saying that people condemn homosexuality because the Bible condemns it. But that's not true. People condemn it because of the light of conscience. That homosexuality is evil is self evident, regardless the labors to reason it away by naming it something benign. It is similar with adultery or cheating on your spouse. The Bible may say it's evil. But it is the consciences which now live within us that cause us to know the immediacy of trespass, betrayal, and pain of adultery. Theft, rape, murder...you name it. It is the light of conscience that guides our behavior. When conscience fails to rule or have sway in a matter, religious people retreat or refer to biblical passages, as if a thing from God himself might weigh the issue towards the prevalence of conscience. But evil, having no regard for conscience, finds talk of God to be equally irrelevant.

At any rate, the speaker opens with a falsehood as a segue to assault holy scripture, as well as to minimize and dismiss our cognizance of right and wrong. In so doing, he misses the truth and misleads the audience. It is blatantly dishonest and disrespectful of our intellects and values.

 

the Iraq war was not about the terrorists

 

yes, some Muslims and some Christians did not like the other - never said all of either

 

Speaking as someone who does "hate" Christianity (I hate all religions, so don't take it personally) I fully appreciate the freedoms and privileges that come from western civilization. It's precisely because I love those freedoms and privileges that I rail against religion. Religion, by it's very nature, is ANTI freedom. Religion imposes rules that are arbitrary and serve no purpose to improving society and the world around us. Western civilization has gotten rid of most of those restrictions, it's no longer taboo to work on the "Sabbath". The eating of shellfish and pork are not only allowed but, in some cases, are considered delicacies. I can wear clothing of mixed fibers. I don't have to avoid meat on Fridays...and many others.
There are a few restrictions that religions claim are because of them but that is also not true. Murder, theft, destruction of property, assault...these are not exclusive to religion. Many societies that had never even heard of the Jewish/Christian God have developed laws against such behavior
Finally there are those rules that the religious still follow and want to impose on the rest of us. Rules against same sex relationships, against abortion, against other things considered "immoral" by the religious that are immoral only because they think their God has said so. These are the most present and direct threat to our liberties today.

 

Sure. That's how it was sold. But again, there was no terrorism to speak of in Iraq and the leader there was strongly opposed to terrorism. And, in AFG there was one terrorist.

By our destabilizing acts in Iraq we opened the way for terrorist expansion in Iraq and then Syria, none of which we had an answer for. Plus, our acts put enormous pressure on Pakistan, which did not have the resources or popular political will to oppose terrorists harbored there.

 

We have to start at home.

And, the analysis of these past events of slaughter in other countries has to be HUGELY better than identifying the religious affiliations of the combatants.

 

In a way that is a good point... but each of us will have a Life Review........

that will be unique to each of us... .because our lives are all very different.


The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience
BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2019

 

There is a Difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (Law) ... the latter of which the fundamentalists "Religious Right" have a bad habit of doing.

This is despite the fact that Jesus tells them not to do this .. and in fact is most important command --- Jesus rails against these wolves in sheeps clothing .. false prophets and blasphemers.

And while they were the most present and direct threat to our liberties over the years .. have now been surpassed by the Blue Woke Joke .. leaving average citizen sodomized at both ends.

 

Oh, so some Christian has threatened your liberty? Tell us about that, be specific.

 

They haven't threatened MY liberty, I'm a white, heterosexual male.

But as the saying goes, "Justice denied anywhere diminishes justice everywhere"

 

This is why it's taboo to criticize religion you don't know how.

You pretend people went to war against the Muslims for them being Muslim and that's asinine.

Nobody should even entertain this hogwash I didn't tell you how ridiculous it is.

 

Depends on the Christian. Some of them want our country to be a theocracy with a church is the head of state.

I wouldn't say this is incredible threat to liberty but it's a week or impotent threat which is a threat nonetheless.

 

it's fact, you can choose to pretend no one wanted war against Muslims because they were Muslims or no Muslims wanted war against Christians cause they were Chistians if you wish...

 

Again, there's nothing specific there. Show me evidence that some Christians want to make America a theocracy with a church as the head of state.

I'm sympathetic with your concerns, I don't want to live in a theocracy either but I don't see churches trying to create that.

 

Its not "Some Christian" -- it is the Religious Right -- Don't be tarring all Christians with that garbage por Favor.

But what a oblivious Joke that you are unaware of the attacks on individual liberty by these clowns .. forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence .. did you not notice Friend or is it that you do not know what essential liberty is ? Prohibition -- the Devil's Drink... Gambling ... Prostitution .. the Temperance Movement to name just a few but you claim to be completely unaware .. some kind of blissful oblivion .. to the suffering evil brought to the world by these sick individuals.

 

OK, you've mentioned some examples of American citizens expressing their opinions concerning legislation. Now show how that is trying to set up the church as head of government. Advocating for legislation on social issues in a representative domocracy is not an assault on the country.

 

Who said anyting about setting up Church as head of Gov't . This is a about human garbage forcing religious belief on others through physical violence --- which is. a whole lot more than expressing an opinion on legislation and 100% an assault on the Country -- assault on the founding principle .. (respect for essential liberty).. and the Constitutional republic .

Vile hypocrisy and/or self delusion -- Islamists forming a major voting block in some City or State .. enacting Sharia .. would not be an assault on the founding principle .. Tell me your thoughts on the Islamist group and the assault on essential liberty ?

 

Why do you can say they aren't really Christians? You can't not be aware of this.

I didn't say churches.

 

I deny it. Our wars, at least since the civil war, which itself was not at all about religion, have all been for secular reasons. The WW's were fighting abject evil, in Korea and Vietnam, it was about beating back collectivism, which is an existential danger to our entire species, and the War On Terror, while fighting mostly muslims, was in response to the common thinking amongst that group that installing their caliphate is to be done by any means necessary, including flying planes full of civilians into buildings full of civilians.

I'm too young to speak to authoritatively about Korea, and to a lesser extent Vietnam, but it seems since Korea and forward from their, our political leadership has handcuffed the military from actually achieving a decisive victory, and as a result, at best we can say we've had ties. Korea ended up divided, as did Vietnam, Iraq ended up with deposed leadership, but whatever replaced is probably no better, or if so, only marginally, and the way we left Afghanistan, with our tails in between our legs and based on a schedule set by pols, not military experts, arguably was a downright loss, as while we were there conditions for the locals, as well as potential enemies like us were decidedly better, but they have returned essentially to exactly what they were before the first shot was fired.

You won't find anyone more anti-religion than I am, though at the same time I know from personal experience that our minds/consciousness survives our physical death, I also know that no manmade religion has reality correct, though so-called 'eastern' religions come a boatload closer than the 'western' ones that have crippled our own society for so long, but I am not seeing even a remotely intellectually honest position that we are or have fought anything that could even come close to being accurately called a war of, or even on religion, though if we could eliminate it from the face of the planet via military actions, I'm not all that sure I'd object too strenuously.

 

I agree with respect to the WWs.

Things get a lot murkier when considering our adventurism in the ME.

Our last war in Iraq came with a major religious outcry against Muslims wherever they may be, and with no other real justification. The major forces fighting terrorism in the ME have been Muslim, not US or Christian. They have been on OUR side, much of the time, whether we recognized it or not. Yet we see "terrorist" and "Muslim" as being nearly synonyms. No secular analysis could possibly support that. Plus, we got a whole era of US high budget movies where the entire plot line was really no more than "Christian Americans slaughter Muslim terrorists". Even our top military analysts duped themselves into thinking that Sunnis in Iraq were pro terrorist when in fact they were being attacked by America, terrorists and Shiite militias. We even established a Shiite government that happily used its new found freedom to carry out ethnic cleansing against Sunnis.

We give aid (both military and political) to Israel's continuation of humanitarian atrocities in Palestine, and have done so for decades. There is zero chance we would do that if America didn't see Jews as simply conquering their holy land, old testament style - the UN charter, other law and the need for opposing atrocities be damned.

Our foreign policy has been seriously affected by religion.

For all that, I do see you as have an interesting takes on religion! Thanks.