It's down to us.

All the weaponized cases. The "Hush Money case" being the most egregious.

 

Americans are worried about their democracy to an unprecedented degree. Only 28 percent of adults said they were satisfied with the way democracy is working in the U.S. in a December Gallup survey. That's lower even than the 35 percent in a survey right after the Jan. 6 insurrection, which came amid former President Donald Trump's repeated and ongoing claims that the 2020 election was "stolen" from him. In an AP-NORC poll from Nov. 30 to Dec. 4, 67 percent said the outcome of the 2024 election will be extremely or very important for the future of democracy in the country.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/americans-democracy-peril-2024-election/story?id=106803471

I don't know about destroying it. But diminishing it in numerous ways...........that's already happened.

 

And who's the president?

 

You don't and you don't engage in political prosecutions either. Obviously you missed my point.

 

Immigration is now the most important issue in deciding who to vote for. Democracy was way down the line in this latest Gallup poll, 27 Feb 2024. Government, the economy in general and inflation follow as 2, 3 and 4.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/611135...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Regardless of how folks feel or think about preserving democracy, Biden is currently at 38% in the polls. You have around 20% who say they’re going to vote for someone other than Biden and Trump. Which simply means 62% of all Americans aren’t buying the democratic party’s rhetoric about preserving democracy by voting for Biden. They’re planning on voting for Trump or for some other third-party candidate or not voting at all. Not to say, more probably would if the Democratic Party ran another candidate.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

The question is what will these 20% do come November? They don’t want neither Trump nor Biden. Will they finally choose between those two disliked and unwanted candidates? Will they stay the course in their commitment to vote third party against both Biden and Trump? Or will they say to hell with it and stay home, not vote at all as they despise both major party candidates so much, they refuse to help either one? Time will tell.

 

If that is so then wouldn't it be good if voters had accurate info to base their votes on? Because Trump and RWM have been lying like a fire hose about immigrant crime.

Fact-Checking Trump’s Speech on Crime and Immigrants
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...t-checking-trumps-speech-crime-and-immigrants

 

Here is something I just found out. If criminal charges have been filed, as they have in all Trump's cases, the 60 day DoJ prohibition on taking action that could influence an election is waived. That is good to know and good news to me.

 

Be that as it may. What you and the democrats fail to understand is most Americans don’t want Biden reelected. What the republicans also fail to understand is most Americans don’t want Trump back in the white house. Here’s why most Americans don’t want Biden reelected, how they view his job performance.

Overall job approval 40.8%, disapproval 56.0%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Economy 39.6% approve, 56.7% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_job_approval_economy-7321.html

Inflation 37.0% approve, 60.8% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_approval_inflation-7832.html

Immigration 31.2% approve, 64.5% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-immigration-7359.html

Foreign Policy 37.0% approve, 59.4% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_job_approval_foreign_policy-7322.html

Crime 39.0% approve, 54.7% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_approval_crime-7833.html

Direction of the country 23.9% right track, 66.4% wrong track

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Then there’s Biden’s age and the fear he won't survive anotther 4 years. With Trump, they view his presidency as a failed presidency, they don’t like his very unpresidential behavior. With Trump, their dislike is of him, himself, the man, the individual, the person. All his legal problems, his uncouth, rude, obnoxious personal along with his behavior of that of a 4-year-old spoiled brat with his name calling, throwing of temper tantrums along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics. Most Americans disapproved of Trump’s job performance also. Here’s his job approval by year.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

It’s no wonder most Americans don’t want neither one to become the next president. That is something that is very true, but something neither party recognizes. Either that or both major parties simply don’t care what most Americans want or don’t want. Perhaps both major parties are so full of themselves they have no problem telling most Americans to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

 

Depends on poll. Newer poll showing immigration #8. I imagine immigration is #1 issue for Republicans because that's all that's thrown down their throat 24/7. Every conservative talk-radio station I switch to, no matter what time of day, they are talking about it because they want to make it an issue.

 

Whaaaaat? Presidential immunity is not a complicated issue, not does it involve discovery.

 

Would you care to make one, then?

 

I wonder how members of the POT would react if a few hundred thugs ransacked the SC chamber, attacking police, destroying property, ******** on the floor, to protest the legal obscenity of the Court's conservatives accepting the immunity case?

 

Be that as it may he will be the only candidate on the ballot who does not threated the constitutional order if elected.

 

Gotta keep that weaponized DOJ rocking along...lol

 

Biden talks about violating the Constitution all the time. His latest attack on the Constitution is forgiving student loans after the Supreme Court said he doesn't have that authority.

He wants to ban guns, gas stoves, gas water heaters, the list goes on. That sounds more like a dictatorship than anything we've heard from Trump.

 

The question is, how would you people on the Left react if that happened? I'm betting you would lack the outrage you've displayed over the J6 civil unrest.

 

As usual, you have thrown in a few rights to make the mule transporting the illicit idea look legitimate. I agree, it is down to US.
Not all of us, because a good portion of us are willing to discard all semblance of honor, in order to gain power, in order to do harm. I don't consider those people Americans in spirit, because no person who cares about their country would do that.

The very "tactics" you claim prove Trump is acting abusively- are the tactics the democrats are pushing to use abusively against Trump. You just think it's justifiable when it suits you.... and loathsome when it doesn't. Perfect example of the double standard; the rubber-band facade for ethics of the left.

The public sentiment right now says that Trump would beat every candidate if the election were held today. Since the dems have absolutely nothing to bring to the table that can win, the only option they see is to destroy what they can't honestly beat..... And that's just fine with you. Have you ever considered what that looks like to others? To hell with democracy- unless it's serving you?

Every Vegas odds maker shows Trump far in the lead. Bidens and the lefties and the lunacy are going down by their own hand. Everytime they pull another dirty trick, Trump gets more popular and they loose ground- but they never learn. The people now prefer Trump. That's Democracy. Unfortunately you think it's not when you don't agree with the will of the people- but that is your problem.

I figure by the time the elections gets here, they will have shot themselves so full of holes you will have to scroll down on the page of election returns to find them.

 

We were not discussing presidential immunity when discussing discovery, but thanks for the strawman. Thats just what was needed. (sarcasm)

 

Be that as it may. But it looks like the dislike and unwantedness of both major party candidates will cause a lot of folks who voted in 2020 to stay home this year and not vote or vote third party against both. A quarter to a third of the electorate has indicated that is exactly what they’ll do if the rematch occurs. 2024 has the feel more of 2016 than 2020. Especially in the dislike and unwantedness of both major party candidates. Compare numbers.

2016 54% voter turnout, 137 million to 2020 62% voter turnout, 160 million

2016 6.0% voted their party, 8.2 million to 2020 1.7% voted third party, 2.7 million

That’s 23 million more voters in 2020 than 2016. New Voters, those who didn’t vote in 2016 but voted in 2020 went to Biden 64-32 over Trump. If they decide to stay home or vote third party due to their dislike and unwantedness of both candidates this year as they did in 2016, that’ll hurt Biden a heck of a lot more than Trump.


This seems to be the reason Trump continues to lead Biden in the polls. Those who say they’ll stay home, not vote if the rematch occurs or vote third party this year who voted in 2020. Addition by subtraction for Trump as most of those voters were Biden voters in 2020.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

 

It's against DOJ regulations to time trials to affect election outcomes, though that is clearly what Bribed Demented Joe, Dirtbag Merrick and Lying Jack Smith are trying to do.

Dems Lawfare is failing. If convicting him of rape and fining him over $500M only drove his poll numbers up, what makes you think this other clearly contrived silliness that singles Trump out while letting the Bidens and Crooked Hillary walk, is going to have any effect, other than finally drive Trump over the 50% mark?



No, the Courts Are Not 'Slow-Walking' Trump's Immunity Claim

The big "Slow Walk" was the August 2023 indictment for an alleged January 2021 alleged crime, 10 months after Lying Jack Smith was appointed. Even though DOJ regs PROHIBIT timing trials and legal actions to affect elections, clearly this is what Lying Jack Smith is trying, and so far failing, to pull off.

Now President Trump's motion to dismiss was promptly filed on September 29, less than 60 days after the case commenced, but crooked Crazy Eye's Chutkan, didn't rule for two entire months until December 1, 2023.


The Crazy Eyed Judge Hates Trump.

She timed it interfere with the election season.

'Donald Trump had a right, under law, to appeal this ruling to the Court of Appeals and to stay the trial court proceedings while he did it. You may not like this rule, but it applies to ANYONE raising an immunity defense, not just Donald Trump.'

'President Trump took his appeal and the court concluded briefing in JUST ONE MONTH, and then held oral argument on January 9 and decided the case February 6. This is LIGHTNING FAST. Most CoA cases take about a year to a year and half between commencement and conclusion.'

Now suddenly everyone is in a great big hurry:

'President Trump was forced to file immediately for US Supreme Court review. Normally you get 3 months to file a petition to the Supreme Court. The DC Circuit gave President Trump A WEEK.'

'And if you want to argue that a 5/24 decision is still too late, well, SCOTUS only controls the last 3 months of that delay. The rest of it? Blame the liberal Judge Chutkan and DC Circuit and ESPECIALLY the DOJ, who DIDN'T BRING THIS CASE FOR 2 1/2 YEARS!'

'The reality is once the DOJ decided it would take 2 1/2 years to bring January 6 charges, this goose was cooked. And that is the case even though the federal courts, including SCOTUS, tried to pull it out of the oven quicker at the end.'

 

I did. And you missed it.

 

Here's how we got here. You made an assumption about Smith. And gave no supporting evidence. So, you gave an opinion and have been called out on your opinion.
The strawman was you opinion without support.

 

For all the leftist insurrectionists in this thread whining about SCOTUS delaying the outcome of this trial, let's remember how we got here. Biden's DoJ waited under late summer 2023 for a crime that allegedly occurred in January 2021. The only reason to wait that long is the same reason that brought out the tears of the insurrectionists in this thread: they wanted maximum interference in the election in hopes it would be determinative to the outcome.

Additionally, people who were so blatantly wrong about Section 3 should recognize their extreme partisanship before placing bets on the outcome of this case. When even Jackson, Sotomayor, and Kagan use your opinions for toilet paper it's time to reevaluate. SCOTUS likely took this case to provide clarity to the extreme DC courts who effectively ruled there is no presidential immunity whatsoever. If their rulings were more tailored and they didn't have such strong cases of TDS wrapped inside the process this probably wouldn't be happening. Now they need to define the boundaries because it's a danger to our democracy to let these opinions stand... just like the insurrectiony Section 3 rulings.

 

You clearly do not understand the difference between FAW and "fmw" . You have mixed his posts with mine in your list of posts. Aside from that, you have also cherry picked 3 or 4 posts from a conversation where I have made far more posts than that.



You are seemingly mixing his words with mine and then acting as if it is one argument. If you want me to explain my words I am more than happy to do so. I have no interest in defending someone else's words. I have not made an assumption about Smith without supporting evidence. If you want support for something I have said just ask and I will readily supply that evidence. In truth, it is probably already there. At this point after you having mixed his posts with mine, I'm not sure what I'm even supposed to be replying to.

 

They delayed bringing charges to interfere in the election, but they made the mistake of not knowing the most recent case law that Trump would be able to put a stop to Chutkan's court while appealing.

Now he's 100% rushing. He tried to bypass the appellate courts trying to advance the timeline. He also repeatedly violated Chutkan's stay order by continuing to file motions and presented new evidence while on appeal. His reason for doing so is that he's trying to get a verdict in Chutkan's court as soon as possible.

You laughably claim that he isn't trying to rush it and claim your evidence for such a statement is that if he were trying to rush it the trial would already be taking place. That's ignorant of the facts that he asked for an earlier start date than was granted and the trial would have already started if there wasn't recent SCOTUS precedent to stay the proceedings. He has literally said Chutkan should violate the law because getting a verdict as soon as possible is his goal. And when she followed the law he broke her court order multiple times in an effort to rush the process.

Jack Smith being a bad attorney is not evidence that he isn't rushing.