It's the communism, stupid! Biden's White House finally identifies Cuba's true problem

I learned a lesson today. If you be patient and wait long enough intelligent people will finally show up.

 

These propaganda tropes that circle around the political bandwagon - until they become "Real"

 

Right. Even Sanders who keeps talking about "socialism" either doesn't know what it means, or is deliberately misrepresenting the meaning of the word, and I think the latter if true. He calls it socialism, and sells it as social-democracy aka the Scandinavian model and as a result his supporters think the two are the same. Its very dishonesties IMO.

 

You sir, are a horribly dishonest person. I said that Biden said communism is a universally failed system (which is true), and if you call that "commie propaganda" then you are just flat out being dishonest.

Planet earth, and the Unites States. I said I never met a person who believes in socialism = government owned and operated means of production. Its true. I never met one. Maybe you meet them all the time, but I don't.

See, its you who doesn't have a clue about what the heck you are talking about. Every post you make, not matter what topic, you come in saying no one else has a clue except you and then you go on to prove its you who doesn't have a clue.

Are you angry because Biden called communism and socialism a failed system?

 

And these 'socialist' countries like Scandinavia are not socialist but have socialist programs
like universal health card. Australia is the same, but we aint socialist.

 

The more I watch this group impliment their socialist - communist agenda the more I wonder if the people who stormed the White House wern't onto something we didn't see. You can't convince me that we don't live in perilious times under this regime of America hating radicals. We need to restore sanity to our government; vote these bastards out.

 

All countries in Western Europe, including Nordic countries + Australia + many other nations have free market economies which makes private ownership possible, and that means they are not socialist. Decades of right wing political brainwashing in US has produced a nation of ignorant people. Read post #31 to see what I mean. The "commie under every bed" line has been fed to people since the late 1940s.

And now we have Bernie Sanders from the left who is being equally dishonest, if not more so, because he is selling the Nordic system as "socialism" and has scores of young people thinking socialism is good and thanks to Bernie, they have no idea what the word means. If they knew it means government owned and operated means of production, they would oppose it. Only oppressed populations believe in it, because they think it will lift them from misery to something a little bit better.

 

Once the AOCs, pelouseys, Talibs, Ilhans, Waters and Jinping and his other handlers catch wind of this Xiden will be toast

 

Yea, sure man. They have no idea Biden said it. Only you and I know.

 

Yes, but in order for them to become "Real" they need to open their ears, put down the pen, close theirs mouths, and do a little research to see if what we are telling them is true or not. I honestly don't think they can invest that much effort for the sake of knowledge. Funny huh, being right isn't nearly as important to them as saying they are when they're not. Their tactic seems to be "Make a bold statement and then dash out the back door before someone can respond".

 

In the end, if they can successfully install "Socialism " here, it will be an American Brand of Communism they aspire to.....no difference.

 

I have been aware the evils of communism all my life, and while I have no idea what "American Brand of Communism" is, I am not even slightly concerned about the US becoming any brand of communism. I have been watching this same conversation for decades (and it goes further back than my years), and it is nothing but sheer ignorance and irrational fear generated by decades of relentless boogie-man propaganda.

 

I am here to tell you that Socialism is a wonderful thing. If the US can "successfully install Socialism " (as you say) then an "American Brand of ... " SOCIALISM (not Communism) is the best way for Americans to benefit to the fullest.

 

A very narrow, scientific definition of Socialism that is.

 

Socialism = Government owned and operated means of production
Communism = Government owned and operated means of production + absence of private property + banning of religion

No, it is not a wonderful thing, it is pretty much the opposite of wonderful.

You can write a 1000 page book about it, but that is what socialism is.

 

Of course you would say that. Precisely why there is opposition in Cuba AND the United States.

 

Opposition to what? Be as specific as you can.

 

The problems in Cuba right now have nothing to do with communism or socialism - so let's stop the nonsense. They have to do with the American sanctions - especially during the epidemic. The worse of all was the closing down of Western Union by Trump, so that relatives cannot send money to relieve the sufferings of the people at a time when all the small business' have closed due to Corona.

Any chance of bettering relations with Cuba, after our latest callous attempts will be nil - as always.

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How dare you not do what we say,
for we will always get our way

with sanctions, lies,
that's how we play​

while basking in hypocrisy
and calling it democracy - Jeannette​

 

Would a big picture analysis of Cuba's problems include the effects of many years of embargoes and sanctions imposed by the US and other countries, or is that asking too much?

 

I noticed that Socialism works well in Germanic cultures since they are community minded, but not in Mediterranean ones with their individualism and distrust of others outside of their own family union. Anyway I'm a strong advocate of small governments, since the smaller a government is the more freedom people have with their individual choices.

Of course there has to be a certain amount of cohesion in laws and the universal concept of humanity, but other than that, laws can't be imposed on a whole with a disregard towards individual rights. What we're seeing now especially in the US, is a liberal tyranny and the imposition of laws which completely disregard the beliefs and sentiments of the majority of the American people.

Because of these culturally alien liberal ideals and their impositions on the youth, home schooling has grown in the US as people withdraw into their own protective enclaves.

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I dost believe that to be free
we shouldn't give our guns to thee.
And thus protect our house and home
from all of those who like to roam,

like animals so angrily,
who tellest us so blatantly,
that we should never dare to stray,
for only they should have a say,

in what we do, but not as we please
while forcing us upon our knees,
to worship gods of hate and greed,
and things that we can never heed.

Now these are things we did not choose
And freedoms something we can't lose,
to liberal laws and swords so cruel
and brandished about by those who rule. - Jeannette


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Until the tropes /narratives become real - not the people They tell each other fables back and forth - until the fables become "Real"

 

Wouldn't that mean that Cuba is 100% dependent on the US, and when US withdraws that support, Cuba suffers? No, communist government of Cuba promises to provide for their people, and they have failed in that task, and the same is happening in North Korea. "Providing for the people" is the central promise commies make, and history proves the best they can do is to barely keep people alive, and often not even that.

Cuba can import goods from many places, and even Europe does business with them despite of US sanctions. We dont have any obligations to do business with them until we think it will be mutually beneficial. As of now, any aid will go directly to the coffers of the commie government.

 

I did not call anything commie propaganda .

You are the one who never has a clue - makes things up about the other poster because you have no argument - so don't project your failings onto others.

My arguments against Biden are way better than yours - as the above pathetic attempt at Ad Hom Fallacy demonstrates - which is not an argument at all. aside from the fact that I did not comment on either socialism or communism being failed system .. again you are making things up cause you can't deal with what I actually did say ..

You have no clue what Socialism is - sans the Black vs White Paradigm which does not exist - there is no such thing as a pure socialist system ... so your claim that you never met anyone on the left who believes in this is redundant nonsense. as why would anyone believe in something that doesn't exist ? Liberals do not believe in the tooth fairy either - or talking donkeys - but what is the point of this meaningless utterance - "That you don't like something that does not exist" ..

Why .. why do you not like something that does not exist ? and tell me of the "Failed Systems" that do not exist.

 

Thanks for proving my point!

Your 'argument' in every discussion: You have no clue, you have no clue, you have no clue........

If you are not angry because Biden said communism is a failed system, then why are you angry? Some other reason?

 

You have not proven any point - you think an argument is name calling and demonizing the messenger in a fallacious frenzy - rather than addressing the poing.