It's Time For Full UN Membership For Palestine

No, Mandela made a calculated decision to use terrorism even though he saw it as horrible. He chose that after America rejected all support for Mandela's vast popular majority and the treatment they were receiving from the white government. Methods of negotiation, his personal persistence and leadership, his attempts with Botha and others were fully rejected.

Inside his early home in Soweto there is the framed letter from GHW Bush, who I think was head of CIA at the time, stating that America would never support the freedom of South African blacks.

Mandela moved his people away from himself to ensure that should he fail, which would surely mean death, it would be isolated to his own loss.

Terrorism is absolutely horrible, but it is not the only horrible thing in this world.

Mandela faced that question.

 

I'm not interested in your jingoism and/or total lack of moral values.

The UN, Geneva conventions, and other such organizations were created with America being a driving central force.

 

I'm tired of you making claims for which you can cite no support.

 

and now those organizations have become infected with anti freedom diseases. A country's importance is in inverse proportion with it's ability to feed its own citizens (Richard Sapir)

 

Oh the irony. I suspect most Americans are tired of people supporting American hating Jihadist terrorist organizations such as Hamas

 

The aid trucks are surrounded by a multitude of IDF troops, and a line of tanks.```

If Israel thought Hamas was attacking aid trucks, it would allow IDF a golden opportunity to capture or kill Hamas.

That is NOT what is going on.

And, bombing starving civilians is not a method of ending Hamas.

Besides, the majority of those Israel is slaughtering are women and children.

 

Are you quoting from "The Destroyer" now?

You do realize that the source of the claim that there were Hamas in UNRWA was created by an Israeli operative inside The New York Times, right?

This was a way to end aid to starving women and children.

 

Nobody is supporting Hamas.

You do know that, right?

 

yeah great books. Sapir, a Columbia graduate was involved heavily as a political reporter before his hit series. I know Hamas is a terrorist organization. It is an enemy of the USA

 

Yeah I remember when Lord Mountbatten was blown up by the IRA, none of the IRA's supporters-such as Martin Galvin-claimed to support the assassination but when asked we always got the "you have to understand why violence happens" and other excuses for the IRA violence. I do see tons of anti semitic proclivities surfacing after October 7 and I see lots of support for Islamist terrorism.

 

prove it from an unquestionable source

 

The USA is an enemy of all Palestine - not just the leadership in Gaza. The USA is the enemy of Palestinians in West Bank, when President Abbas has fought against violence in cooperation with the IDF and pursues progress through negotiation only.

There is no limit to our war against Palestinians.

We even block calls for cease fire when children are starving.

 

There is no source you don't question.

Look it up. I'm not interested in playing games.

 

Just STOP-there is NO ISRAELI GENOCIDE.

 

Somebody is in denial...

 

If one wants to make a difference, one ALWAYS HAS TO KNOW WHY VIOLENCE HAPPENED.

That doesn't mean you agree with the reason. But, proceeding in IGNORANCE is how one goes about ensuring failure.

You don't see ANY support for "Islamic terrorism". You do see support for remaining ignorant.

 

When Israel starves the children to death, when the Likud says there will never be a Palestine, when Israel bombs and bulldozes the homes and hospitals of Gaza flat, when Israel herds 1.5 million Palestinians into Rafah and then bombs them in their tents and broken buildings where they huddle ...

What do YOU call it?

These acts that I mention do not reduce Hamas.

 

I love how those who attack Israel and/or support the jihadist movement claim that the IDF is engaged in genocide.

 

1) that is hyperbolic-at best, outright propaganda at worst

2) why is these things allegedly happening? why does HAMAS use children and women as shields and chaff for jihadist aggression? why do Hamas terrorists hide in tunnels while leaving innocent civilians exposed? why does Hamas put gun and rocket positions in areas full of civilians

 

Israel made accusations against UNRWA - an aid organization they have hated for years, as it helps Palestinians.

There has been no evidence supplied by Israel that those accusations are legit.

UNRWA response was immediate. The Israeli dossier named individuals and UNRWA fired those individuals, regardless of lack of proof. Two of the accused had died some time back!

The US cut off UNRWA - which is what Israel wanted.

Just to be clear, Gaza has had no freedom for at least the last 20 years, as Israel has them barricaded and has treated Gaza as an open air prison. Suggesting Hamas fights AGAINST freedom makes no sense. How can you fight against something you are prevented from having?

 

Nobody in the US supports Hamas.

You're going to have to come to terms with that.

And, yes. The ICJ has taken statements from numerous countries who point out that what is going on in Gaza is genocide.

Their final ruling is to demand that Israel ensure genocide is not happening, to take care of Palestinian citizens, and to report their process in doing so within a month.

Since then, more children have starved to death.

 

when you make an absolutist comment like that, you are easily proven wrong because all it takes is ONE PERSON to support Hamas to belie your claims and of course Hamas has supporters in the USA

I don't care what leftist nations claim is genocide. Israel is not trying to exterminate the population of Gaza. If that was their goal could have been done in less than a couple days.


https://thehill.com/policy/internat...mingly-support-israel-in-war-with-hamas-poll/

the survey found that 84 percent of respondents sided more with Israel in the Israel-Hamas war, compared to 16 percent who sided with Hamas.

The only age demographic to show a majority of its respondents saying that Hamas’s killings could be justified were respondents aged 18-to-24 years old. Fifty-one percent of that demographic said Hama’s killing could be justified by the grievances of Palestinians while 49 percent said they were not justified.

 

That was nothing but the truth.

Why would you ask ME that? Do you really think that the terrorist nature of Hamas needs your personal support - that it isn't already known???

The reason Palestinians are starving to death is that their means of survival has been totally destroyed.

When there is no food and water for extended periods of time, humans starve to death.

 

I love how those who support the ethnic cleansing and/or genocide that Bibi and the Likud party are committing can just shrug when 30,000 innocents are slaughtered, and well over a million are displaced and starved. I guess they are not real people, right? They certainly don't deserve the rights that Jews enjoy...

 

Estimate how many support Hamas (not Palestine, HAMAS). Then, divide by 330 million population.

Israel is eliminating Palestine as a people, as a culture, as a meaningful population, as having land that they have owned for centuries. Israel doesn't have to actually kill them all to achieve that. But, they ARE working on that part, too.

That is what happens when you pretend that the people being slaughtered and starved to death are Hamas.

They aren't.

Some CLAIM the war is Israel v Hamas. But, the facts on the ground state that it is Israel vs. women and children.

And, nobody should be pretending they like Hamas.


I think the problem here is almost entirely the pathetic reporting that we are subject to.

We here whatever Israel says, no matter how ridiculous and unsupported - like the UNRWA attacks. And, everything that Palestinians say is immediately trashed as lies, no matter the evidence.