It's Time For Full UN Membership For Palestine

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The definition contained in Article II of the Genocide Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

    Israel is literally bulldozing the racial and cultural existence of Palestinians from Gaza.

    It has told Gazans that they must move to Raffa in order to be safe - forming the largest refugee camp on Earth, exceeding a million souls, They have then bombed that population - including with 2000 pound bombs.

    Israel has denied these refugees food and water - a crime against humanity. Men, women and children are starving while anywhere near sufficient aid is allowed by Israel. The lack of water, hospitals, etc., is causing deaths by disease.


    This absolutely IS genocide.

    This policy has resulted in serious demonstrations by Israelis against the perpetrators in Israel - Netanyahu, et al.
     
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    The Palestinians are absolutely held hostage by Hamas and other groups, but until they do something about it they will remain stranded in those "open air prisons" that everyone's talking about. The Palestinians, or those representing them, have turned down peace plan after peace plan going back for decades. At this point, it's obvious that their problem isn't Israel. It's themselves.
     
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    No, there is no country called Palestine and never had been.
     
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    From Gaza. That's ethinic cleansing. Genocide would be if they hunted them down and killed them outside of Gaza, with intent to exterminate them, ie destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

    They want Palestinians out of what they consider Israel (from the river to the sea). That's ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Yeah I'd love to see a panel with Sinwar and the reps for China, North Korea, and South Africa tell us about human rights.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because those peace plans are garbage if they do not return the borders to what they were in 1948 and grant Palestinians every right that Israelis have.
     
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    All nations are created at some point. Maybe this is the time.
     
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    Gaza could have declared it's independence at any point after the Israeli's pulled out in, 2006? But no, they would rather be terrorists than founding fathers.
     
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    It's a mess, but who knows what's going on. What I would like to know is where is the up to 40,000 Hamas militants? And that's not including all the other militant groups.

    Are they capitulating nicely?

    I don't believe that bestowing any abstraction, like nationhood to Gazan Palestinians will make much difference to these militants. The first thing they will do is start arming up ready to kill Israelis again (River to the sea). Or they'll divide into factions and start hurting and killing each other and unarmed Palestinians. The behavior of these types, including throughout many parts of the middle east is tribal at best.
     
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    Israel has been actively and continuously waging war on Gaza for decades.

    And, YOU want to whine about Gaza not being populated by pacifists.
     
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    Gaza has always seen itself as part of Palestine, with the West Bank government doing the negotiations for Palestine.

    For decades, Israel has continuously made war on Gaza.

    If the US were to give Gaza weapons like we give Israel weapons, Gaza could defend their homeland and freedom without using undirectable missiles and terrorist acts.
     
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    After the Israelis pulled out, how did they "continuously made war on Gaza?"
     
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    South Africa's indictment of Israel at the Hague International Court of Justice:



    ICJ statements presented at that court by China, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Japan and Jordan, starting with China:

     
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    Remember that the blockade of Gaza and all its ramifications are universally seen as war.

    And, they were certainly effective in rendering Gaza without access to the world for reasons of travel, commerce, adequate medicine food (including being blocked from fishing their own waters), and periodic cutting of water and electricity.

    There were periods where Israeli troops shot at farmers tilling land in Gaza, preventing significant land from being available for agriculture.

    Significant percentages of Gaza have been living in food insecurity during that full period. Now, of course, Israel keeps 100% in food insecurity - with significant portions of the population actually starving.
     
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    It made a difference to OUR militants when they shot the Red Coats from behind trees, burned properties and otherwise broke the rules of conflict at that time.

    After forcing an end to England's war against us, using these methods, we made clear statements that our objective was independence and that we fully desired economic relations with England and other nations.

    For that full time, West Bank has had a government that is exclusively focused on settlement through negotiation. And, the Hamas government of Gaza has stated that West Bank negotiates for them.

    We don't decide who has human rights. Human rights come from being humans, as all Palestinians are.

    You can read about human rights in our own founding documents.

    With economic freedom, self representation, freedom to travel, etc., Gaza has a ton they can do to improve their condition. Until then, they are forced to live in poverty and starvation
     
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    Yes, they want to steal the land of those living in Gaza.

    What they are doing IS genocide. That use of "from" in my post was to indicate that Israel is bulldozing the homes and culture from Gaza - an attempt to eradicate them as a people.

    As of 2019, 5.6 million Palestinians were registered UNRWA as refugees from Palestine and Israel. There were 1.5 million Palestinians living in camps run by UNRWA alone.

    This situation was purposefully created by Israel. And, there are clear records of Israel not just causing refugee camps, but also bombing them. Even today, we watch Israel bomb the refugee camp that is Rafah, the camp that is where Israel told Palestinians to go for SAFETY!!!
     
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    Of the 193 member states of the UN, Palestine is recognized and has diplomatic relations with 139.

    Israel is recognized and has diplomatic relations with 165.

    The UNSC is the organ that evaluates whether statehood is merited - based various measures used by the UN.

    The UNSC found that Palestine qualified for statehood and full UN membership. EXCEPT, the USA vetoed!!

    The US has worked HARD to ensure that Palestinians lose to the Zionists of Israel who demand the land from the river to the sea - a phrase THEY coined and Netanyahu uses when talking to his own people. As such, the USA is guilty of genocide, as without our military and political power, Israel's genocide would not exist.
     
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    Just a reminder about this blockade:

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    Gaza is free to trade with the world and does. Israel is perfectly free and within their rights to NOT trade and secure their borders that are aligned with Gaza. It's not a war crime, or a war, to not allow a free flow of goods and services across your own border.
     
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    Our country didn't wait for the UN to give us permission to declare ourselves our own country, so it's a bit mind boggling that you think that's how nationhood works. Again, Gaza could have declared itself an independent nation any time.

    There is of course a real reason why they didn't and won't, but you probably don't want to address that.
     
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    The EVIL being described
    Is beyond Decryption



    U R creating the Anti-Semitism
    That U FEAR with good reason

    R U insane ? the world sees
     
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    That's what happens when you start a war and lose.
     
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    If they didn't have Israeli's to stab and kill, they'd just be stabbing and killing each other.

    I mean they spend a lot of time killing each other anyway, but not as much as they would be.
     
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    Those Egyptians are good at building border walls. We should hire them to build ours.
     
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    How many UNRWA workers are registered with hamas.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, it is an act of war to blockade a people.

    Israel absolutely HAS done that for a long time.

    Do you care to state why you showed that map?
     

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