Jack has had enough.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Apr 3, 2024.

  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    She'll still be a judge. She might be the judge when Smith is brought to trial...lol.
     
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    For what? Come on. Let's see that desperate fantasy! What lies have the Trump pipeline been feeding you? This will be "good".
     
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    All this thread says to me is that political prosecutions are a very bad idea.
     
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    All responses like this this say to me is that people would rather make up fake victim narratives than accept the fact that their beloved leader is subject to the rule of law.
     
  5. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    He's protected by the rule of law, as well.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Based on her conduct Smith should have filed one already.
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I provided a link to his filing. You should read it. It explains her mistakes and suggests he is going to appeal to the 11th circuit to have her removed if she keeps stalling.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then you need to take a remedial reading class.
     
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    What he should do is move to have the case moved to an unbiased judge.
     
  10. CornPop

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    I wish him the best of luck in Clarence Thomas's Circuit in Alabama/Georgia/Florida. I think what's happening here is Jack Smith isn't getting his way like he has been in DC, and he's believing the talking heads on MSNBC. Jack Smith has a history of legally dubious prosecutions in friendly districts that later get overturned. That's probably why they picked him to prosecute Trump. The goal is election interference, not long-term success. A major aspect of this case already has some precedent. The courts have already ruled that a prior president, by virtue of taking files home with him after his administration ended, meant they were automatically assumed personal, and the ability for the courts to review that is highly limited. The prior President did nothing to declassify the information or file any paperwork with NARA or any other federal agency. He just took them, which made them personal, and that was that. The conclusions of that case potentially being applied here is what has Jack Smith so tilted. He has been operating under the assumption that he can treat Trump differently than other defendants and thus far has been able to do so.
     
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    The key is “files”, not classified documents. Documents that NARA requested to be returned, requests that were ignored and obstructed by tRaitor tRump.

    If as you suggest tRaitor tRump was in legal possession of the classified documents then he should be suing for their return. Even he and his attorneys know that nonsense wouldn’t get to first base. His only hope of avoiding jail, in this case, is to run out the clock and avoid trial altogether. Which Judge Cannon is doing her best to make happen.
     
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    Jack mehoff is a clown and anyone who supports him needs to be examined by a doctor
     
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    Prosecutions are NEVER a bad idea no matter who the criminal is. You didn't see Democrats defend Blagovich, Trafficant, Weiner, and soon to be Melendez. The problem with Republicans and conservatives is that they have no problem defending criminals as long as they share the same ideology. See this thread.
     
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    Right they too busy defending the Biden crime family.
     
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    Wrong. As soon as evidence is brought forth, they will have no reason to defend Biden. In fact, they would welcome it as it would give them a younger and more electable candidate. You're just spewing QAnon nonsense.
     
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    They were assumed classified records in that prior case because of what they were: recordings inside the oval office and of his phone calls that they hid in a sock drawer rather than a secured location. But the court states in their ruling that it's irrelevant anyway because whether they were classified or not changes nothing. Additionally, the head of NARA is effectively a librarian with no authority. The head of NARA can ask for records, but the court ruled the President doesn't have to comply. In fact, they probably don't even have to respond to the ask if they don't want to. There's no enforcement mechanism which is why he wasn't charged with violating it and was instead charged under the Espionage Act. But the Presidential Records Act came long after the Espionage Act and specifically outlines what presidents can do with records from their term when it ends. And the courts have ruled the president has a ton of leeway and the ability to review their decisions/actions is extremely limited. Jack Smith has been asking Judge Cannon to ignore the text of the PRA and precedent. And he's pulling a temper tantrum because she won't listen to him like the DC judges have been.
     
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    None of the "sock drawer" recordings were classified. They had never been classified. But have fun explaing why you think official documents maaaaaaaagically became personal in Trump's case. It will be cute.
     
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    Where's the left cheering for a GAG ORDER on deranged Jack Smith???

    hypocritical much?
     
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    Gag order for what? I'm thinking you don't know what a gag order is.
     
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    If her response isn't perfect, or she delays in responding, I think Smith will file a petition for a writ of Mandamus. What he will compel her to do, either 'do her job' or 'recuse' we don't know, but I hope he goes for a recusal. Something is going to happen soon. She is clearly a detriment to the DOJ.
     
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    Sarcasm, or serious? (I can't tell).
     
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    Do you understand that Cannon has issued an order that is in direct violation of the law?

    Methinks you do not grasp the gravity of the facts.
     
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    Clearly you are not paying attention. Cannon issued an order about jury instructions that were in a clear violation of the law. JURY instructions, capiche? -- which wouldn't be needed if it were a bench trial.
     
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    ARe you kidding? Cannon issued an order regarding jury instructions.

    Wake up.
     
  25. yardmeat

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    He's been playing pretty safe, waiting for her to pile up mistakes. I could make some boxing references here, but I think it would bore those not into boxing. But, yes, he's definitely ready to petition for the writ. Even explicitly stating that is a pretty aggressive move that he's only making now because he knows he's got a rock solid case for it.

    Smith knows Cannon's end game here. She's filing paperless orders because they can't be appealed. She's denying Trump's dismissal request, but without prejudice, outright signaling to Trump that he can raise the issue again when the jury has been selected so that Smith can't appeal. He isn't playing games, but he is playing chess. And he's damn fine at it.
     

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