Jesus Christ is no myth

Einstein made it very clear and today's science is starting to understand the process of those miracles. We can now cure leprosy, we can now cure eye sight issues and diseases, we now understand what is clinically dead mean, we are getting closer to find a cure for cancer. Science already understood the process of creation, science is now in the research of the origin of creation. We also know that climate change is no hoax.

 

What was it that Einstein made clear? (Apart from the fact that he stopped believing in the Abrahamic God aged twelve, because it was illogical)

 

At the age of 12? I think you need to distinguish between the Jesus in the Temple at the age of 12, and the fully mature Jesus at 30. Jesus certainly surprised the Jews in the Temple at 12. A lot happened between that age and the age when Jews were considered in their prime at 30. However mature and knowledgeable a 12 year old may be, there is still much to learn. The Jews recognised his intelligence at 12, but he still had a lot to learn.

You need to grow up a bit and understand real life - not the cocoon you live in.

 

Jesus when he was 12 he already surprised the Pharisees of his knowledge of the Scriptures and from 12 to 30 Jesus disappeared only to reappeared as an adult well versed and well educated, a proof that he did not got his education from Jerusalem, from the Pharisee or Sadducee.

Unbelievers have wrap themselves in a state of denial for more than 2000 years and continue to this day in spite of the definitive facts. That was why they had Jesus crucified because they have nothing to refute Jesus knowledge, wisdom and divinity. They had Jesus crucified and were still concern that he will resurrect they were not sure just like agnostic were not sure the Pharisees and Sadducee were concern and we can say they kind'd expect Jesus will resurrect and when Jesus did resurrected they tried everything they can to destroy the facts, the history and the truth.

Normally it was not difficult to silence ones enemies they did what they normally do massacre everyone and the more they kill the more Christians grew and that is because of divine truth.

 

Einstein made clear that as far as he is concern with God he believe there exist God and his motivation is not the politics of God but to discover the process of creation and the origin of the universe how God made it happen,

 

He said that if he had any belief in a god, it was Spinoza's God,[which is essentially nature itself, and not an old man sitting on a cloud]

 

You're well out of your depth. There were many well educated Jewish people. And I've already said Jesus probably got his 'further education' from a learned Rabbi - teacher. They were not Priests, but teachers.

There are few ' facts', history or truth to destroy. All we have are stories about a Jewish preacher named Jesus trying to bring his people back to Jahweh. Christianity has added all the miracles and deity.

 

Spinoza's concept is the focus on creation how God created the universe in total disagreement with atheism.
Einstein is uncovering the process of creation and origin of the universe. We are now learning today how the miracles are real because science can now confirm it is possible.

 

You have not provided any evidence that Jesus had a Rabbi educator either when he was 12 or further advance learning. The missing years of Jesus Christ 18 years the proof we have is that Jesus was very educated and knowledgeable that surprised the most powerful leaders of the Jews.
History is very clear, the facts were many the persecution was wide spread all to eradicate Christians not just mere stories but documented facts. Jesus indeed tried to bring the Jews back to God and many did followed him while others rejected him. Those who followed Jesus accepted Jesus divinity and those who rejected him and had him crucified because of his divinity not because he is a prophet.

The miracles were from Jesus not added on later but miracles that proof his divinity, what was added are the miracles by the Apostles and other Saints.

 

I haven't provided any evidence because that is IMO. Anyone who has studied Judaism knows the ways of the Jews. A young 12 year old like Jesus, who had proved his knowledge
in the Temple, was likely to have been chosen by a Rabbi (teacher) for further 'education' in the scriptures. How on earth do you think that the line of teachers would continue?
Rabbis taught intelligent young people like Jesus, who then became teachers themselves. Use your head. Youngsters have to learn before they become teachers even today.
Those not taken by Rabbis went on to learn their fathers trade. Even Jesus, while learning from a Rabbi, would have continued to learn 'carpentry/building' from his father.
Your knowledge of those times is sadly lacking. There's no point in continuing this until you learn the basic truths of the Jewish way of life at the time.

History may be clear about the facts of the early church. Not about the Biblical story of Jesus.

And the Jews did not have him crucified because of his divinity. That's Christian teaching. They did not believe he was divine. If you read the gospels carefully they had him crucified because he was turning the people against them - the religious leaders.

 

Meaningless woo. You are talking about a fundamentally different god than he.

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty." Albert Einstein

 

There have been too many individuals providing their own opinion that were all based on myth, lack of evidence, lack of historical facts, lack of scientific facts, philosophy or logic and this is why such personal opinions and actions in the secular society on professional fields it is not acceptable the very reason why there exist so many regulatory bodies to make sure that the integrity of a profession is protected examples are; medicine, engineering, lawyers, teachers etc. the problem in Christianity there exist no such regulatory body the church in cooperation with the establish secular institution work hand in hand to preserved the integrity of Biblical historicity.

Everyone who studies history know that Jesus Christ did not got his education from the establish Jewish authorities, who ever the Rabbi that taught Jesus would be someone that was well versed well educated probably a holy preacher who is outside of the established Jewish authorities and was against the Jewish leaders. This is why Jesus was against the traditions established by the Jewish leaders.

If Jesus was not crucified for blasphemy or for his divinity then for what?
History is very clear as to why Jesus was crucified and it was because of his divinity not because he was a preacher.

 

Very clear statement from Einstein, that was why he continue to pursue his research taking it beyond his own imagination to learn and to discover God in his own way and for sure he did not support atheist or communist claims that there is no God or God is not real.

 

As I said. His nebulous "god" is everything in nature, including us. His views were pantheist, and he himself said he was agnostic, denying he was an atheist, butregarding the belief in a personal god as childlike and naive. I suspect you are trying to warp his views to support the latter opinion.

IIRC he actully admonished people on either side who tried to use his name in support of their viewpoint.

 

Absolute laughable tripe. Jews were taught by Jews. A Rabbi that taught things not acceptable by the heirarchy would have been banned from teaching.

My opinion is based on the times in which Jesus lived, the lives and education of the children and the Education provided by Rabbi's (teachers). Tell me, why was Paul sent to Jerusalem to learn under Gamaliel? Could it be that Jerusalem was a centre of religious education for Jewish children? And he wasn't the only one as he admits.

Jesus death. Mark says they couldn't find any evidence to put him to death (Mk.14) Luke says 'They stated their case 'That this man has been leading our peop[le astray by telling them not to pay their taxes to the Roman Government and by claiming he is a Messiah - a king' Luke 23v2. John says they accused Jesus of being a criminal John 18v30. Matthew doesn't tell us. He tells us that the Jews planned to take secretly and kill him without a trial. Matt. 26v3.

They wanted Jesus out of the way and Pilate left them no choice but to accuse Jesus of claiming to be divine when their other methods failed.

You're lost. Go away and study.

 

What ever view Einstein have about God is for sure he believe in God and does not support atheism and that is what push him to the limits to pursue his science.
Yes, I am presenting him and others like him to confirm that God is real.

 

The Essene do not support the established Jewish hierarchy and they just like Jesus do not care about being banned by them that was why Jesus was very vocal in reprimanding the Jewish hierarchy.

Paul did not learn from the Jewish leaders he would learn from the Apostles and from the Holy Spirit.
Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, Rome and Constantinople will become the center of Christian education.
Jesus death was clearly presented in the Bible, the Pharisees accuse Jesus of blasphemy and presented Jesus to the Romans charging him of rebellion against Rome.
Rome does not have death penalty or get involved in Jewish affairs, Jesus blasphemy crime was against the Jews not Rome.
And Pilate said to them:
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"[/I]

The deniers have been at a lost for the past 2000 years several great leaders have confirm God's existence while the deniers have resorted to violence to destroy that confirmation.
Eisenhower said it well: “Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
"The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit [to Gotha] deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”


Abraham Lincoln: In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

Einstein: I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.

 

Stop quoting Eisenhower parrotfashioned.

Acts 22v3. Then Paul said, "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, and I was brought up and educated here in Jerusalem under Gamaliel. As his student, I was carefully trained in our Jewish laws and customs. I became very zealous to honor God in everything I did, just like all of you today.

Jesus death. The charges you are referring to are simply excuses to have Jesus put to death. The Bible is quite clear. They could find no reason for having Jesus put to death so they fabricated charges. You obviously did not read the passages I gave you. Only when they were getting nowhere with Pilate they trumped up charges.

I advise you again. Go and study. I'm wasting no more time showing you your ..erm..lack of knowledge.

 

The Essenes might have existed but they are not mentioned in the Bible.

Paul created the Jesus character to sell his new religion of resurrection. His disciples spread his religion around the Middle East.

 

Gamaliel was one Jewish leader the higest spiritual leaders who did not support the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or the persecution of Christians. It is believe that Gamaliel was a supporter of Christ and secretly converted to Christianity this was why Paul was proud to associate himself with Gamaliel and invoked Gamaliel.

Indeed, they the Pharisees could not find anything to put Jesus to death so they accuse him of blasphemy and later rebellion against Rome. You skip reading the Bible you should read the entire Bible not just cherry pick verses.

You are showing us the wrong way just like the Pharisees were wrong, you and deniers of Christ are still wrong up to this day.
That was why we have everything written.
Eisenhower said it well: “Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
"The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit [to Gotha] deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”

 

The Essene were real they did existed and one of the evidence is the Death Sea Scrolls.
Before there was Paul there was already Jesus Christ, Paul was once a Christian hunter-persecutor-executioner later he would convert and become the 13th Apostle of Christ. Paul was instrumental in reaching out to the Romans.

 

Paul never hunted Christians. He hunted members of The Way cult. Paul created Christianity.

 

There is no evidence that Gamaliel ever converted to Christianity. You're clutching at straws.

I skip reading the Bible? You're joking. When I started reading the Bible you were probably a twinkle in your mothers eye. If you'd studied half as long as I have you'd not make the mistakes you do.

You are simply repeating what I told you. So I haven't cherry picked anything. I gave you the truth from the Bible. The 4 quotes prove my point. The Jews could not find any reason to have Jesus put to death. So they concoct a story. Thank you.

And you should not read into the story Words that were heard by the Jews alone in council. They are the ones who heard, they are the ones who reported.

 

Where does it say Gamaliel did not support the crucifixion of Jesus?

Gamaliel may have spoken on the decision concerning the disciples in Acts. But then he was known to be a lenient man in many matters. He sought to change the strict marriage laws of the Jews, and others matters. Jews recognise that Gamaliel was a good Jewish Rabbi. Any Christian views are based on nothing other than his lienency. He was, and remained, a Jewish teacher.

Gamaliel holds a reputation in the Mishnah for being one of the greatest teachers in all the annals of Judaism:

"Since Rabban Gamaliel the Elder died, there has been no more reverence for the law, and purity and piety died out at the same time".[7]


Paul learnt little from the disciples or apostles. Immediately after his conversion he escaped from Damascus and went north to what is now Syria. Why? Because the disciples and apostles did not trust him. After 3 years he went to Jerusalem to see Peter for just 15 days. He also met James. After that he went back to Syria for approx 12 years, until Barnabas went to find him. By this time the disciples had heard of his work in the North and accepted him.

The above are Pauls account of his life, not Luke's, who got it wrong.

It was many years from his conversion that he was accepted. From then he started the ministry he is known for. Little is known about his work in the church in Syria during the early years.

 

Christianity begun after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ the continuing persecuting of Christ followers by the Jewish authorities led to the creation of Christianity.
Paul was a radical Roman who hunted Christians with extreme passion until one day, Christ appeared to him and it change Paul forever from a Christian hunter to become a Saint and evangelist to become the 13th Apostle of Christ.