Jesus Christ is no myth

There is evidences that Gamaliel disagreed with the other Jewish authorities and his support to the Apostles.
If you have read the entirety of the Bible you would understand that Jesus was not taught by the Jewish hierarchy, Jesus missing 18 years is a mystery to this day his education and knowledge was astonishing that the Jewish hierarchy have no answer to Jesus claims. Jesus was crucified because of his divinity not because he was a prophet.
After Gamaliel's death there will be no one like him and no one to defend and speak on behalf on Christians it gave the Jewish authorities the opportunity to go after the Christians.

You are correct that the Jews could not find any reason to have Jesus put to death so they concocted stories against Jesus so that the Romans can have the justification to crucified Jesus.
The Jewish authorities original accusation against Jesus was blasphemy they later concocted rebellion against Rome because they were afraid to execute Jesus themselves. That was why Pilate said this immortal words:

Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"

 

There is no evidence that Gamaliel supported the apostles for their faith. It's clear he didn't understand what was happening and advised caution. He reminded them of the previous so-called messiahs - who had been defeated - and advised caution. There is no evidence that he was on their side.

I haven't said he was taught by the Jewish heirarchy, that's just you. I said he was probably educated by a Teacher. His knowledge was not exceptional. It was the use of that knowledge to combat the Pharisees. He could see through their 'traps' and counter them. Jesus was trained in the Jewish scriptures and in that training under a teacher he would be encouraged to write his own essays, express his own thoughts on the scriptures and debate with others on religious matters. That is what happened to those showing talent. As I've told you before, this was the way to continue the line of teachers, and it still is today.

Honestly, your comments show your lack of knowledge or understanding of anything to do with the culture, history and family life of the time. It's all there for you to study - if you take the time.

Try reading up on the lives of Jewish families. Family life, work experience, childrens education and life in adulthood - after the male Mitzvah and the female Bar Mitzvah.

 

Gamaliel is recognized as the wises and smartest of High Priest especially during Jesus and early Christian time, he did understood who Jesus Christ is and that what the Jews did to him was wrong and the continue mistreatment against Christ followers was wrong.
You clearly stated that Jesus could only be educated by a Jewish Rabbi under Jewish hierarchy and I pointed to you that is not the case because Jesus was against the hierarchy and his knowledge was exceptional he knew more about the Romans, Jewish tradition, history and prophecies then the Jewish leaders. Today, the Jewish faith Judaism is the faith that Jesus claim is corrupted and not following the Scriptures. What you are claiming and understandably is the position of the early Pharisees the ruling class and is still today they control Judaism the way they see fit not according to Jesus Christ.

Your comment or position is clearly about the tradition set by the early Pharisees and Sadducee the people that Jesus and other Jews such as the Essene were against.

 

Have you ever read the Bible? All of your points are wrong. The 13th Apostle was Matthias (Acts 1:20-26)

Saul (Paul) hunted members of the Way cult (Acts 9:1-4). People weren't called Christians until Paul & Barnabas taught them their Christian doctrine at Antioch, Syria, in Acts 11:25-27.

 

Paul was the 13th Apostle not Matthias, Acts 26:16-18.
Ignatius of Antioch was the first to use the term Christian.
And Paul continue recognize it.
Acts 11:26
Paul hunted Christians that was why Christ later appeared to him and made Paul his Apostle.
If Paul was hunting Way Cults there would be no reason for Christ to appear to him and for Paul to convert to become a Christian evangelist.

 

Go away and study. Gamaliel was never a High Priest or a priest. He was a respected teacher of Jewish Law and Scripture. As such he attended the Sanhedrin where he could be consulted on matters.
Rabbi's were not under the control of the heirarchy but would be challenged if they taught things not according to the Torah. However, they were allowed to express their own interpretations and teach students to use their own interpretive skills. This gave Jesus the opportunity to consider his own position in relation to the established position. This is quite clear as you read his dealings with the Establishment. And that's what todays preachers do. Interpret their view of scripture. That's why you get two aspects of a particular subject by two different preachers.

I thought you'd studied the Bible.

I'm not replying again on this subject as you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

 

Stay don't go to learn true history. The very reason why Jesus was crucified was because of his divinity not because he was a preacher.
Today's Judaism is the same Judaism that Jesus Christ criticized for being corrupted by Jewish leaders with all their own tradition and politics.
I know that you have studied the Bible as well as its supporting history, don't be like the Pharisees or the Sadducee.

 

In Acts 26:16-18 Paul is telling one of his BS stories to King Agrippa. Paul was a great
flimflam artist.Remember, he said that he did whatever it took to convince people.

 

I know true history. You make up things as you go. I thought every Bible student knew Gamaliel wasn't a High Priest. The Bible actually presents Gamaliel in a greater position that Jewish tradition has him, but that's another story and involves the school of Hillel.

Now go and study true history.

Incidentally Paul did persecute 'The Way' cult - as Christianity was known at the time.

 

Paul is just one of the many evidences that proof Jesus Christ did existed, that God is real. Paul like many of his kind would be persecuted, tortured and killed. Paul and his kind have nothing to gain with their preaching and accepting Christ no earthly kingdom, no wealth, no mega churches, no franchise fee, no mistresses, no rich palaces or silver chariots, no gold no silver only truth to share about the reality of God and for that he and his kind were persecuted and put to death.

 

Every historians know that Gamaliel was a strong sympathiser of the Apostles and he did not support the actions of his fellow Jewish leaders. The Bible acknowledge Gamaliel's role and position while Jewish tradition undermine or put little emphasis on that because they do not want Jews to see him as a Christian.

What ever Christianity was known during Paul's time be it "The Way of the cult" it was the followers of Christ that he persecuted and later Christ would appear to him and baptized Paul to become one of his most holiest Apostle.
Please, continue to stay so we can continue our historical discussion.

 

No they don't. And he only gave advice based on previous experiences. The decision was entirely on the heads of the Sanhedrin.

You can't accept that everything in the NT is biased toward Christianiy. Sorting out the facts from the bias is the problem.

What we know about Gamaliel is really very little. Biblical references are at conflict with Jewish history but even so Jews do not decry Gamaliel. He is held in high esteem and was head of the school of Hillel. What is 'amazing' that we know of his conversation - when outsiders were excluded - with the Sanhedrin. Gamaliel would never have kept his position or reputation if he had shown any sympathy with Christians. Leniency was in his nature as is shown in later actions.

 

People have made a lot of sci-fy movies about space aliens and space ships. They have even given them a lot of dialogue. But they are not real. If you want to start a religion you have to create characters to bring the story to life. Even the Bible says that it's just a collection of entertaining stories.

 

And those science fiction made lots of money they and their fans don't get persecuted, tortured or killed because they know what they are doing is all fiction.
The Bible has been used as the blueprint by modern archaeologist and science to learn about historical past and the reality of God.

 

This mere assertion is funny.

 

You've convinced me.

 

What is happening and quote: "Theological trauma" by unbelievers and doubters.

Science is science that present the process of the miracles such miracles that are now explainable what is missing is how Jesus or God was ever to make it happened due to lack of modern science at that time what is clear is that those miracles are possible.
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I think you need to study Acts 5: 38-40 a little closer. I do wonder why Gamaliel spoke up as he did, I could argue there was some divine intervention. Read verses 36 - 37, this shows the logic he was using. This is a lot different than supporting, he is merely saying, lets wait a bit and see if God is with them or against their teachings. Gamaliel had to know people don't just walk our of a jail, and those same people were now preaching openly. He was obviously a wise man and may have inwardly felt they could be resisting God. Then the Apostles told the Sanhedrin they must follow God, not man, this was a direct challenge to their authority. Gamaliel had to be thinking, who got these guys out of jail without the guards knowledge, they didn't take off, they continued to preach, then directly challenged authority of the Sanhedrin. His wait and see logic was very good but not directly supportive of the apostles.

 

Gamaliel for sure was not like the rest of the Jewish leaders his position is to give the Apostles the benefit of the doubt a chance to prove that Jesus is indeed who they say he is sadly majority of the Jewish leaders do not support his position they were willing to wait and allow Gamaliel say his will. In the end, Gamaliel never found out because he passed away but it was his support for the Apostles that allowed Christianity to spread.

 

Your implication here is that Christianity would not have survived if Gamaliel had not asked them to wait and see, if that is your implication you don't have much faith in the power of God to accomplish his purposes.

 

Einstein did not believe in a supreme being. He believed the universe was god. He was a pantheists. He rejected the idea of a personal, interventionist God.

 

Einstein does not support atheism he accept that God exist and his very motivation is to learn the process of God's creation.
Just like modern science is now able to explain that Biblical miracles are actually medically and scientifically possible now.

 

Einstein didn't believe in "creation". He believed the universe formed through natural means and believed the universe itself was god.

Using him to support your Christian centric argument is like using the Bhagavad Gita or the Quran. That doesn't work.

And you need to provide a source for your claim that science confirms biblical miracles.

 

In some ways that would be the case, remember it was Joseph of Arimethea who was responsible in taking Jesus down from the cross and having Jesus buried in time for Jesus to resurrect. If Joseph of Arimethea had not took Jesus down from the cross or if Pilate had not agreed to have Jesus taken down from the cross who knows what could have happened.

 

WanRen doesn't do relevant empirical evidence. He merely asserts.