Jesus was the first Republican:

why would you say they disappeared when we still speak their language??

 

I was raised Christian. Mostly it was the 10 commandments. Muslim kids are are raised on jihad
Do you get everything backwards?

 

no idea what your subject is let alone your point

 

Latin?

 

what about greece and rome and and others mentioned in Federalist papers?????????

 

no idea what you subject let alone point is!!

 

We speak latin ? Furthermore, nowodays greek speak a language relatively close to ancient greek, they're totally different civilizations however.

By the way catholic church use latin for a long time but he doesn't mean they're related to the roman culture. You can put clothes on a monkey, it doesn't make him human

Greece and Rome were "limited" democracies/republic. For instance people concerned about democracy in the ancient Athens should be : non stranger (and definition of stranger was rather extensive), more than 25 years old, not a woman, having their both parents athenian. In the end less than 30 % of the population could participate to the political life. It's not to forget that those democracies/republic developped around a city-state not a whole country as nowodays even if Rome expanded a lot.

When Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were living, people were thought a lot to the cromwell dictatorship. Cromwell slaughtered a lot of irish people and when they wrotte that they wanted to prevent that back. At the beginning Cromwell regime was supposed to be a republic, but quickly it became a dictatorship worst of the king.
We all now the fate of the Roman republic : it ended with the coup of Caesar, at least the one of his son Auguste.
What happened to the athenian democracy is less known but it was more slow. A lot of people hated the democratic athens because Socrates was sentenced to death by a democratic assembly. Plato considered that democracy was just a little better than tyranny.

Furthermore the athenian life was extremly different than what we think when we speak about democracies. For instance assemblies in Athens were picked randomly.

All democracies they knew were failure, and they were obsessed to prevent it. The rise of Robespierre and Napoleon didn't helped.

Some innovation appeared since. For instance the idea that the different kind of power should be more strictly separated (for instance that the police shouldn't be the judge, that the people who make the laws shouldn't be the one who judge).

But something extremly important happened since : that's the first time in History everybody know how to read. They were no massive medias, they were no internet. During the founder times, newspapers were more limited and journalism bareley existed.

I have the feeling that you use liberalism for "communism".

But when Marx lived, what the conditions of living of worker in Europe :
12 hours of word per day, 6 days per week and even with that they were so poor they didn't had enough to always eat. They were child labour and 1 children on two died before 7 if even more. They were much more accident during work and if you died or ended crippled, nobody would helped you.
Communism ended as the worst tyrannies possible, but was it a crime for a worker to want their children to eat enough ? To want that their children didn't had the same fate ? To want to not be totally broken at 40 because of the unbearable conditions of work ? To want to their family to be alive ?

When communism was born, the revolt of the workers was totally legitimate.

And what was the other offer made by the priests : okay you will suffer all your life and your beloved will die, but don't revolt because 1) the state will send you his guards to shoot you 2) revolution is bad.

 

yes or a derivative of there their language thinking customs culture etc etc!!!. so not surprising the conversion to Christianity and acceptance of Christian commandments took place slowly over hundreds of years and led to Locke Jefferson and America. GEt it now?

 

border line insane and childlike. Christians were Romans and Romans were Christians for 100's of years

 

We didn't kept the cows together so stop with your "get it now ?" as if I was a dummy.

We think radically differently, ever red Marc Aurelius ?

 

rambling meandering rant. Do you know what your subject is and what your point is??? IF so tell us

 

you seem to lose track of your subject when you are losing a debate. Is it unconscious? You change the subject 14 times when you lose and trick yourself into thinking you didn't lose? ?

 

I'm sure you know what that means!!

 

Same thing, that is why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb and why they elected Sanders and single payer commie Obama.

Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing
how it happened.

There are two reasons why we don't have communism here: the Constitution and Republicans

 

We're not relative.

Is their a real debate ? I lose a lot of time to correct all the wrong things you assume.

The original topic was "Jesus is the first republican".

About your first declarations :
Jesus was against the state :
As far as I know, not really," Render to Cæsar the things that are Cæsar’s, and to God the things that are God’s"

And about richness :
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter Heaven

So I doubt he would be a big friend of billionaires.

 

The problem is that the word liberalism have been twisted. Originally liberalism refer to people like Alexis de Tocqueville, what we call "classical liberalism" : people who are to create more freedom.

Communism was theorized by Karl Marx in 1848, it's an ideology who consider that everything should be put in common.

It's in fact opposite ideologies.

 

yes that is the exact momnent when Jesus founded America by creating the individual with an individual relationship with God, not with the earthly Caesar. Jesus rendered govt insignificant. If Caesar and his govt was not God it was nothing and indded that is the Republican principle on which America was founded and became the greatest country in human history!.

 

that was when the rich got rich by using liberal govt to steal from the poor. Now we have capitalism wherein the rich are super heros who invent great things to improve our standard of living and make them affordable to all,

 

you will never learn if you switch subjects every post

 

But they still have less chances to enter heaven than a camel into a needle eye. Seems it's rather bad news for D.Trump if the bible is true.

I guess the spanish inquisition and Salem witch hunter who acted in name of Jesus were insignificant.

Jesus encourage rather with that sentence to obey the governement while seeking for god. I would rather think that Jehovah witness are closer to the spirit of the bible, they decline to participate any military service and refuse to be involved political activity as voting.

Jesus was extremly agressive toward traders : when he expulsed the merchant from the temple for instance with a whip for instance.

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” I don't see either the "forgiving" side of the republican. This part would even rather advocate against death penalty the republican support. Jesus personnaly opposed himself to the death penalty.

Honnestly, I don't really see the connection between USA and Jesus saying and the Republican.

 

no idea why you think that given that the rich are saintly folks who provide both our jobs and the products we need for survival. Survival is a good thing!

 

I don't think that, it's simply written in the bible, I don't think neither they are "saintly folks who provide both our jobs and the products we need for survival".

 

so you think they are evil folks for providing the jobs and products used for survival? in your libsocialist society would we consider killers to be saintly folks?

 

exactly,
1) very very trivial events in the course of western civ. and
2) there is no mechanism whereby all people are prohibited from doing deadly and stupid things in the name of Jesus. Did you think there was such a prohibition?

 

You're an *******. Not everything is "black" "white" in the mind of regular people, it's not because I don't think they are saintly, I think they're evil. For your insulting suggestions about killers, I will not answer to that kind of insults.