It was not an attack on Christianity but an attack on the US mainly for their support of Isreal and probably their war with Iraq.. Personally thinking, the only valid significance of chosing 9 11 could be that it is the emergency phone number. Why chose a date that is significant in Europe but nothing to do with the US. However I still maintain that the date chosen is purely coincidental (anecdotal) - they just were ready on that date.
Bin Laden attacked because we have troops on the holy land of Saudi Arabia. But regardless, Islam has always been a political as well as a spiritual entity. They feel since Mohamed superceded Christ, then the faith he founded must supercede Christianity politically as well. When Sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinople, he declared himself the successor of the Christian Eastern Roman Empire, (Byzantine). After that the goal was Rome and the Western Roman Empire, but today it's to see the flag of Islam on the White House. Bin Laden started his jihad, on the same date Islam was defeated in the West.
911 was the call for help. idiots just cant accept that some people do need assistance against oppression and idiots
that bull he turned on american for deserting the afghan at the end of the cold war. The russian came in and wiped out a whole slew of US funded compatants and that is what set of Osama. The US was protecting the opium and oil and could care less about the people.
Yeah, bull: August, 1996: "More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void. The treaty of Hudaybiyyah was cancelled by the messenger of Allah (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) once Quraysh had assisted Bani Bakr against Khusa'ah, the allies of the prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him). The prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) fought Quraysh and concurred Makka. He (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) considered the treaty with Bani Qainuqa' void because one of their Jews publicly hurt one Muslim woman, one single woman, at the market." (Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.) March 1997: "Though Bin Ladin had promised Taliban leaders that he would be circumspect, he broke this promise almost immediately, giving an inflammatory interview to CNN in March 1997. The Taliban leader Mullah Omar promptly 'invited' Bin Ladin to move to Kandahar, ostensibly in the interests of Bin Ladin's own security but more likely to situate him where he might be easier to control.73 There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74" (The 9/11 commission report, page 65-66) July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm "Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders...Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders... 1) "First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples." 2) "Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation." 3) "Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula." One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq! On topic would be the part about Jews, and previously posted verses demanding their conversion (to bow down with those who bow down) or death: "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The very existence of Israel, and certainly their ability to worship freely, is an insult to Islam's false prophet.
I disagree - |I do NOT nor have any rational reason to believe as you appear to|. If you removed your blinkeres , you might learn that most MUslims / (unlike some Christians ) are vey tolerant + respect both Christian + Jewish beliefs as fellow monotheistist - i.e. "people of the book" The clash is political - NOT religious . According to my muslim friends , Jesus + Mary is also revered . In fact the three faiths /belief systems have far more in common than the artificially created/ often misinterpreted/misunderstood - differences . ..
If Bin Laden's attack on the U.S. wasn't because of our troops on the holy soil of Saudi Arabia, then it's Bin Laden's bull because that's what he said, not me.
We believe Christ is the Word of God made flesh, and that he brought us a fuller vision of God as he was known by the Jews. In contrast, Muslims believe Christ was merely a prophet, and that he was superceded by Mohamed. Since Islam is a political system as well as a faith, then it's reasonable to assume they would want Islamic institutions and laws to supercede our laws which have a Judaic/Christian basis...or at least they had. I know Muslims believe that the differences between the faiths are minor, but they are not since Christianity consists of the Holy Spirit, the part of God who enters our hearts and comforts us and gives us peace. In other words, we believe God comes within us and makes us more Christ like.. . that is if we accept His Son/Word as our redemptor when he died and suffered every humiliation and pain imaginable. The choice to become a Christian and to become like Christ is ours, it cannot be imposed or given to us by anyone. Nor can we become a Christian by following a set of laws, it's a gift given to us by God when we accept His Son/Word. A Christian baptism merely gives a person the potential to become a Christian, it doesn't mean they are. Of course they might call themselves Christians, but they are not. Regardless though, our laws and institutions are based on Christian morals and values...or at least they were. Ha! Welcome to our new paganism.
Jeanette I suspect that your belief is based on what you've been taught /indoctrinated from early childhood to believe. + like most people never tretched yourself beyong the box . Forgive me if thatb sounds harch , it was'nt intended . Now let's see + examine what you've said . First of all lets exclude the Jews coz they do not recognize Jesus at all - in fact they've got some very nasty/ugly things to say about him, + his mother - Right ? IMO - There's no way of telling whether Jesus was another prophet like those who preceeded him however he was from all accounts exceptional /unique - and challenged the Pharissees Jewish leadership at that time and had new moral standards to impart. IT's all just whatever you choose to believe. INNIT ? Frankly , I was born/raised by easy going - lax "christian " free thinking parents - so , thankfully saved from early brainwashing and therefore are not as entrenched as you appear to be . FYI - pls dont get me wrong I find it hard to believe that Jesus was actualy a "son" .i.e. an offspring from the Amighty /Creator of the Universe. However if that's what you believe and feel comfortable with, - good onyah , but please allow others not to share /subcribe to believing as you do. ...
apologies for previous posts typos + spelling errors. (wink) I feel a bit knackered after having had another day .
That is correct. I linked to where the quote was from, I did not intend for Al Quacka's quote to be thought to come from the Koran or "previously posted verses demanding their [Jew] conversion (to bow down with those who bow down) or death," nor did I intend for it to be taken as a complete or accurate quote of what he claimed. "Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" Is that a direct quote too? Feel free to show us where simular Koran version(s) are. This is probably where Al Quacka got their quote from: "Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387: Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.'"" If we are going to quibble about the interpretation of my sentence, we might want to quibble any potential interpretation of that human rights of man. If a correct quote of the question and a correct quote of the answer, no wonder Moslems would get confused about the Human rights of man and not play well with others. "We, the Palestinian Arab people, who believe in its Arabism...Article 8: Bringing up Palestinian youth in an Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty. All means of guidance, education and enlightenment should be utilized to introduce the youth to its homeland in a deep spiritual way that will constantly and firmly bind them together." http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/pid/12363 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6) "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2) "[9.18] Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course." Kind of explains why there is a Mosque on the Temple Mount, in conjunction with the previously quoted: "[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid. [2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear. [2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it). [2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down." Obviously the only way for Jews to get anywhere near their former Temple, and be safe, is to convert. Or do you have some other intent you would like to put forth? "[9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise. [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! [9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him). [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse." "[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing." "AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)" When we put these things all together it does not look too good for the rights of man or those that do not bow down with those who bow down. 3) "Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula." One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq! The intent of United Nations (of tyrants too) resolution 181 was not to prevent Jews from access to Jerusalem (to slaughter as they slaughter, not to "slaughter as we [Islam] slaughter"), so my response had to do with the "occupation of Jerusalem," which the United Nations (of tyrants too) is going to violate the intent of 181 if they give East Jerusalem wholesale back to the Moslems. I see nothing whatsoever in the totality of the Koran and Hadith to give Jews any indication that Islam can be trusted with occupation of Jerusalem, as they were previously forbidden access (Margot can post a picture of people dressed as Arabs at the wall prior to 1967); feel free to quote any verse or Hadith you want to make the Jews feel better about it, but it is clear that since there is a Mosque on the Temple mount old verses such as [9.18] seem to recall [9.28]-[9.32], regardless of whether one claims they were about an old war with the Jews and Idolaters and the morality does not apply to Jerusalem. "[59.14] They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified towns or from behind walls; their fighting between them is severe, you may think them as one body, and their hearts are disunited; that is because they are a people who have no sense." Yeah, a wall and border patrol will protect us. {Sound of laughter} Let's try this again: What makes the life and property of a person sacred?
Since you reiterated it I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't any confusion. The problem with how you are using this quote is a fairly common one when it comes to quoting one line of theological scripture: it completely lacks context. I have discussed Quranic theology quite a bit and have thus had this particular quote thrown at me quite a bit by those who don't care for Islam and wish to portray it as inherently violent / genocidal / we will conquer you all! etc. One can do this with other religious theology as well. For example, I also happen to be a student of Christian theology: Mat 10:34-35 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- Now, taken literally and without any context that verse could appear to be pretty damning / violent. But treating it isolated like that from the rest of the chapter, and treating it in isolation with regards to the rest of the theological message of Christianity within the New Testament would be theologically dishonest, and the same holds true for Sura 9:5 of the Quran (what you have quoted above). Context is obviously very important when it comes to analyzing theology, and it is particularly important to be careful when it comes to Quranic scripture because the Quran does not go in order, nor is it a narrative like the bible often is. Quranic suras are divided between Meccan and Median suras aka suras revealed before the Hijra (mass migration to Medina0 and after the Hijra. Post-Hijra scripture tends to include a lot of specific historical events. Sura 8 for example includes the Battle of Badr, Sura 9, the specific time after that and leading up to the Battle of Tabuk. Since it isn't a narrative the Quran isn't going to say "And then the Muslims rode out to Badr where they faced the Meccan forces, and there Muhammad said:" As said before, it isn't a narrative. Instead you simply get the direct speech / revelation that he made there for that situation. This is one reason why it is vital to study Quranic theology in conjunction with Islamic history. Sura 9:5 isn't a declaration for all Muslims to kill all non-believers for all time. Sura 9 even starts off recognizing the fact that they were allied with non-Islamic tribes and extends an amnesty to them. The Quran is very big on respecting treaties and in making peace when your enemy wishes it. Muhammad didn't and couldn't operate in the manner that some like to portray him. The Ummah had many alliances and compacts with non-Islamic and polytheistic tribes, including during this time. 9:4 for example immediately prior to the verse you posted states: Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. As mentioned previously Sura 9 includes the Battle of Tabuk. When the Byzantines were thought to have been marching an army south to fight the Muslims. The Muslims marched north and as it happened the battle wasn't even a battle. The Byzantines never showed up, so we get the pre-battle prep-speech, but not much post-battle dialogue. The terminology used is fairly common. muhammad usually referenced specific groups of people by religious orientation. He calls Meccans simply non-believers and pagans in sura 8, but the Quran is referencing their specific forces, and the same goes for Sura 9 with the Byzantines and north western allied tribes. And you are doing the same thing here. You are making a grave theological error in assuming that "the people" is a general reference to everyone, rather than referencing a more specific situation and group of peoples. Once again history is important here for understanding, and if you really think about it your suggested interpretation doesn't make much historical sense. Generally speaking expansionary empires that are completely "us against the world" don't do very well and hit problems. Islam would have never survived if it operated in the manner in which you are suggesting it did. Even the Byzantines and Sassanian which were both more well established Empires had to contract and engage in treaties with tribes of other religious and cultural groupings when expanding into new territory or even when consolidating already held territories. The Muslims were no different. In fact, after Muhammad's death, Islam remained largely within Arab populations and was seen by many as a religion for Arabs and indeed the early empires under the Rashidun and subsequently the Umayyads were largely Arab based and military troops were kept separate from local populations in their own garrison towns. it wasn't really until the Abbasids that we saw significant empire based ethnic diversity inclusion mainly. Historical realism aside though, you also have to be careful when constructing theological arguments that you want to represent large swaths of Muslim from hadith. Hadith and the subsequent generation of Sunnah is a fairly complex process and it isn't as simple as merely quoting a hadith as you have done. Each hadith has its own authenticity chain and its own relative weakness and strength. A hadith existing within even an authenticated collection is still only one that will apply to specifics Islamic jurisprudences and will apply differently depending on the interpretation of said jurisprudence and may not even be included at all. (while hadith is used to generate sunnah, the two are not necessarily the same). The only thing universal in Islam is the Quran and even there you will have some differences of opinion in interpretation (though less than in hadith interpretation and utilization). If we are talking about religious theology within the context of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict then I would be careful as well. Technically the Palestinian Authority under Fatah is secular Arab nationalism. Hamas and Islamic Jihad of course have more religious political ideologies, but they hardly represent all Palestinians or Arab nationals. In fact modern pan-Arab nationalism during the Cold War was largely secular (think Baathists like the Assad regime) than they were religious.
[I was born a Greek Orthodox, but I didn't have a religious upbringing and became an atheist and then a Buddhist while still in school. I became a Christian when I decided that I should have a positive attitude rather than a negative one towards Christianity. In Christianity 'faith' must always come first. It's impossible for someone to comprehend Christian beliefs unless God first reveals it to them, and God can't reveal it unless we open our hearts up to Him. As for Judaism, they are called the chosen people because God chose them to bring His Word/Son into the world. They were given the moral laws solely for that purpose, and the Old Testament is the foundation of Christianity, the same as it is in Islam. The Jews rejected Christ because they wanted an earthly kingdom, and Jesus was not giving them an earthly kingdom, He was giving them a heavenly one which they didn't want. Anyway Christianity is based on the miracle of His Resurrection. If Christ didn't die, there wouldn't have been His Resurrection and there would not have been a Christian faith.
i'm currently pretty busy which is why my responses will be fragmented here, but I'll get to everything eventually. I think you are having some Arabic to English translation issues here. The verb isn't "to visit" it is "to maintain". What English translation are you using? The first part of Sura 2 revolves around Muhammad's attempts to convert the Jewish population of Medina. Much of it is actually taken from Median Jewish religious beliefs and customs that he is reiterating to them in order to attempt to convince them that he is the prophet that they have been waiting for.So Muhammad here recounts many of their own beliefs including the story of Moses, Abraham, etc. This isn't an anti-Jewish section at all.
Oops, sorry, I forgot the link to the Al Quacka fatwa, it was not my quote but a Moslems quote: "Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm Then again I kind of already know Al Quacka does not does not care for Islam and wishes to portray it as inherently violent / genocidal / we will conquer you all! etc. Certainly the part where it says "I have been ordered to fight the people are referring to an order with regard to a specific circumstance, but the guy receiving the orders next in line asked a general question, What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" And that question does not appear to be applicable to the the people. So is there a better answer to that question? As to this verse I was using the translation linked to by a Taliban and Osama defending muslim on August 2001, who asked for forgiveness for what they were about to do: "[9.18] Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course." http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/1253/1/ And it appears you are correct, the other translation shown there is different; by the way, that was the very first time I ever posted that verse. So it is good catch on your part. [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise. Now if say for instance we take that from the site muslim of August 2001 linked to, the M.H. Shakir version; and I use it because that is the one the Moslem gave me: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/ And it just happens to be the same version used in this Koran software I was using on August 2001; message on his site right after 9/11/2001: I please Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala to help Afghans(Taliban) brothers, Mujaheedins and all muslims and to gave them absolutly victory againest those who attacks. 9.28. O you who believe! Those who associate partners with God are (nothing) but impure. So, after the expiry of this year, let them not approach the Sacred Mosque. And should you fear poverty (because of the possible reduction in your income due to their not coming to Makkah in the season of the ), God will enrich you out of His bounty if He so wills. Surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Wise. http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/1263/6/ O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise. http://quran.com/9/28 http://alim.org/library/quran/ayah/...on-of-mushrikin-from-entering-masjid-al-haram There are several there, and I have used this site with three: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php But, really, it is not what I believe but what they believe that is important. If some Turks are whiny about Jews coming within fifty meters of a Mosque, why would I assume that a verse that applies to a specific Mosque that existed could not be said to apply to one that came much later? It really depends upon what they interpret it to mean. What translation are they using? It does no good for me to use your version, or five versions. If the Moslem who wrote the program, or had a bloody link to Azzam.com (see FBI) that led me to a Moslem Message board where before 9/11/2001 they were talking about something big coming, is using Shakir, which is considered one of the worst, I can only assume whatever version they are reading must be screwed up.
Excuse me , but imo - you was born like every other new born - WITHOUT any religion, What belief system your parents/grand-parents might have subscribed to does'nt automatically fall on an innocent wee newborn . We're all born without any religion. If later in life you chose to be a Christian from whatever denominations, that a matter of choice - same goes for followers of other faiths + those who prefer being agnostics , RIGHT ? . As for the Resurrection etc. its all a matter of BELIEF - its in your + fellow believers - HEADS. We're NOT dealing with UNQUESTIONABLE verifiable AXIOMS/ self-evident truths , are we ? Its only in your head. just as other people's beliefs are ONLY in their heads .. Its a belief - nothing more than that . .. ,
The problem with a general interpretation of this particular verse, is that this particular verse applies only to one particular mosque (the Grand Mosque in Mecca). In fact, one of the translations that you used called it by name: Masjid al-Haram.
It is reasonable that if the idolaters were using the area that Moslems would not want them to continue using it; it is hard to concentrate on monotheistic Black Stone Idolatry when the polytheists have a Red Stone (cornelian) idol... 9.28. O you who believe! Those who associate partners with God are (nothing) but impure. So, after the expiry of this year, let them not approach the Sacred Mosque. And should you fear poverty (because of the possible reduction in your income due to their not coming to Makkah in the season of the ), God will enrich you out of His bounty if He so wills. Surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.” The full implications of the verse and the second part of that verse is not unlike Jesus getting upset with the money changers defiling the Temple and the concept of religion being for everyone not just those that can pay for all the bath time... Considering Jesus actions the morality does not change with location, unless we are being super technical claiming the morality only applies to a specific thing because the thing is mentioned, and we could then ask really what does this mean, considering the boundaries: [5.68] Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat..." "...and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever." (Exodus 32:13) Whereas Mecca is like a pair of bellows, exactly where is the line drawn; as with the promised lands in the Old Testament there is a boundary, Jerusalem does NOT belong to the Arabs, but everything from the Euphrates to Egypt does, it is specifically stated, so we must get exact about the phrase "you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat," so that guy asking a general question makes since, where is the boundary, “What makes the life and property of a person sacred?"
Cause they wanna build it on the site of the mosque, which was built where the first church was built, on the site of place where Jesus returned to heaven.
