I was reading the Quran says it was given to the Jews by God, but not quite so much land as Nat Religious claim and with two conditions. The conditions were that they stay by faith and secondly that they behave or else out. For not obeying this they were chucked out twice. However a window of opportunity was left for them but they have now missed that. A fascinating read
The core pursuit is waiting for the messiah some say jugment day, the mount itself is the place of the first Temple and the Ark of the Covenant resting place, the place itself is supposed to be holy so it doesnt really matter if there is a temple or not, Judaism "modified" itself nearly 2000 years ago to be without a temple (that's what the Talmud is for), to seculars like me it has an historic meaning. according to tradition the messiah will be the king of the Jews and will rebuild the ruined Temple.
Good, they should build one on each side and across the street and swarm the area with Orthodox Hasidic Jews
Have the Muslims ever recognized their own crimes against non Muslims? From what I have noticed, any decent act performed by Muslims in the past eight hundred years towards people of a different faith, is mentioned over and over again, with total disregard for the tens of thousand offenses as well as the attrocities they have committed. The Muslims are very personable and humble, and very likeable...but is that what we are supposed to judge by? I know many a sociopath that presented themselves in the same fashion. Not that the Muslims are sociopaths, only that if we judge by history,there is an Islamic group mentality that doesn't seem to bode well for non Muslims. As for the Jews being non forgiving, yes they are if we are to look at what the Bolsheviks did to Tsar and Russia, and what they do to Germany and to the Germans continuously. But by the same token are the Arabs forgiving? All one has to do is listen to the rhetoric coming out in that part of the world against the Jews to know that they are even less forgiving. If it were not so, the Palestinians wouldn't be suffering for so many decades just to get revenge.
I'll take it one by one : Have the Jews( OT ) or Christians (Holy Roman Empire + later - conquistadors Inquistion- etc.etc .etc ever ? Crimes are as old if not older than the first laws humankind devised. Muslims are no more homogenous than Jews or Christians - Which group of muslims do you expact to do the "apologizing ? GOT IT ? I've told you of my personal , experience from abt 10 years travel and working in that region and direct contact with the people. which gives me sufficient background to form valid opinions. Which country/countries have you been to and how long did you stay . ? How many Arab or other muslim homes have you ever been invited to ? I've met many Israeli Jews during my visits been to a few of their homes - been to homes of Arabs (both Maronite /Sunni +Shia Muslims) Greek Orthodox/druze / Circassian) My work brought me in direct contact with many different peoples . blaha - blah - blah - same old crap which we've all heard thousands of times. I havent a clue what Its dreck Look gtr this - I care as much or little abt fekking "sufferings " of your Jews as you care abt the present day condition of non-Jews . Your fekkin so-called "Jews " is supposed to have "suffered " so much but they more often as not was more prosperous - enjoyed a F @@king higher standard of living than ther average non-jew citizen wherever they lived. For the most part even in Central + Eastern Europe. btw - Was it Arabs (Muslims/Christian ) who carried out - what's called the " Holocost " ? YOu seem to be far too entrenched so there's nothing more I can tell you Go Learn from some else. . .... ...
There is no such thing as "al-Quds," it is called Jerusalem and it is Israeli not Arab and hopefully always will be so all the worlds faiths can continue to enjoy the holy city under the protection of a liberal democracy rather than the barbarian theocratic Islamic hordes.
ark.....? the commands are egyptian (see book of the dead) so there are no magic stones. See the tomb of king tut, he has the arks.................... If you are honest with yourself, you'll find that armegeddon is the war over tel megiddo (the hill) When idiot put value on it, as if to die for, then find what begins the nuclear war (fire from the sky) and it is the selfish swine chosens ones, that live up to the identifier the per se 'temple' is to hold the 'name' of god and it WILL NOT rest in the city of blood
Where did you hear that from? there is no such plan Extremists belive that this should happend, including one member oh "Habait Hayehudi" but such a plan would never actually come true, this is only a theory of highly beliving jews, It is a part of our "declaration On Independence" that we shall never harm holy places of other religions, and we are not stupid enough to do it in such a hostile place like Al-Aqusa
There's a big zero of a story. The muslims built a temple on top of the original Hebrew temple in Jerusalem. Well, as a real American the Mayor can say that if the muslims don't like their new neighbors, they can move out. There's probably a storefront available in some slum somewhere, possibly in Paris or London.
i like that post best one in many moons........................ ie.... looked like it was from a real jewish believer, perhaps even an israeli. (one to save, so far!)
by what archeology? Your belief is by the literature but to comprehend the history as found in archeology, then the whole area was egyptian held. There is no exodus to a promised land, by god. As that whole canaan/syria/palestinian region was held by egyptian governance, as proven 1500 BC by the amarna tablets. There was no exodus to an egyptian held land........................... The literature of the theology is not history, archeology supercedes beliefs. That is something few will hold as a precedence. It is like me pointing out, that if 'they' are to have israel (by god), then why did god chose the hashemite to control the 'holy of holies'? (top of the mount) to where? LA. Perhaps detroit could use the population. Basically a bigot would uproot people and not have a solution for the human beings. but not in LA cuz riots keep busting them out Have ya ever seen a crowd of people, with no fear of law? bbbbbbb babe, You aint seen nuttin yet
You do have a point. No wonder the thread is about ANOTHER temple................... because jerusalem aint israel. I did the read, based on your suggestion and guess what, you have a point Jordans position on Jerusalem Jordans position is that the land of Jerusalem occupied in 1967 is Arab land subject to the terms of reference of the Madrid process, based on the land-for-peace formula. In this respect, the takeover and annexation of East Jerusalem violates international law. From the outset, Israels occupation of the West Bank in the aftermath of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War was, and continues to be, illegal according to international law, in particular UN Security resolutions 242 and 338. East Jerusalem is part of the West Bank and therefore, resolutions 242 and 338 are applicable to this area. Jordans role therefore is one of support for and assistance to the Palestinians to establish their own state, with its capital in Jerusalem. The land of Jerusalem occupied by Israel in 1967 is Arab land subject to the terms of reference for peace, based on the land-for-peace formula. With regards to the Holy Places, the rights of all monotheistic religions Islam, Christianity and Judaism should be respected equally, and above the sovereign considerations of any state, to become the symbol of peace between all the People of the Book, the descendants of the Children of Abraham, peace be upon him. Israel is obligated to negotiate with the PNA on the status of Jerusalem at a specified time, as opposed to acting unilaterally to change the character of the city prior to final status talks. Therefore, Israeli actions that tamper with the demographic character of Jerusalem or artificially change the existing demographic character of Jerusalem to ensure a majority in the city serve to preempt and prejudice the outcome of the final status negotiations on Jerusalem and cannot be accepted in the framework of pursuing peace
Both, depends on the situation, turning the other chick is not our thing its our more tolerant brothers.... It unquestionably was and still is, you need to visit it and see for yourself, otherwise you whole argument is theoretical and we are into reality For politic reasons only, all - includiung the Arabs - know the capital is Jerusalem, they say otherwise because they want a part of it.....sour losers. I agree but its a bit harsh to call Arabs pigs, they simply deal with the situation of being historicly wipped by "infidels", that cant be easy.. He told you that ???? lol he probebly thought you are some Islamist, he never takes you guys seriously Yea, we heard that from your side for decades, thing is every time one of your leaders gets too excited, you lose another piece of land.. Now YOU use Biblical sources, if so then look again, the Jewish ppl that defeated all obsticals throu history returned to its homeland and against all odds defeated a much stronger foe, several times and not only established a strong state but its stronger than it ever was, even stonger than its golden gae Solomon kingdom....., stronger than any country in the region including Egypt, lol, who would have thought
About Archeology, besides the Tunnel covered in another thread - that you yourself replied to, see this evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_and_Sennacherib_Prisms Its a solid evidence from an outside source about the ancient kngdom - just as the Bible tells us. there are much more relocs as well including of Egyptian source about the kingdom. so your claim is simply not true. the claim that Jordan controls the mount is amusing, unless you say its Jordan that prevents Palestinians to pray there when the situation is intense ? you probebly dont even know what Im talking about do you ?
