Jews heavily involved in The trans Atlantic slave so called trade.

New research suggests that the very first slaves of the European slave plantations were Jews of west Africa.

It is from here that the practice of plantations in the Americas began and where many of these Jews were shackled and sold off to Europeans at Elmina, Ghana and taken to the Americas.

São Tomé (Portuguese for "Saint Thomas"), an island 150 miles (240 kilometers) west of Gabon in the Gulf of Guinea, was first settled by the Portuguese in the late 15th century. Finding an uninhabited island with abundant wood, fresh water and the potential for growing sugarcane, the Portuguese monarchy tried to entice people to move there. Due to high rates of malaria, though, São Tomé was thought of as a death trap. By 1495, to supply labor for the sugar trade, the Portuguese rulers forced convicts, Jewish children and enslaved Africans to move to the island.

While other Portuguese sugar mills relied on enslaved people solely for manual labor, in the São Tomé sugar plantation system, enslaved people — largely from what are now Benin, the Republic of the Congo, Angola and the Democratic Republic of the Congo — performed nearly all the tasks, from the harvesting and processing of sugarcane to the carpentry and stone masonry needed to build and run the mills. https://www.livescience.com/archaeo...ny-african-island-according-to-archaeologists

 

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No it doesn't, check the primary source. There are two distinct groups, Jewish children (from Portugal) and slaves (from West Africa).

 

Read what I write, not what you think I write:

first slaves of the European slave plantations were Jews of west Africa.

They weren't on plantation in Portugal were they but in africa! Pay attention.

 

I did read what you wrote, but what you wrote was incorrect (wishful thinking on your part I assume). Again, check the primary source in your own link; https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-in-sao-tome/D924CD6992FEF2504FD543330CB2A23D

 

Threads that say "Jews" engaged in slavery and do not discuss slavery in a greater context to explain all the peoples that have engaged in it I would argue is a tactic on this board by certain anti Israelis to smear all Jews and incite hatred against all of us. You will notice this thread ONLY singles out Jews but makes no mention of anyone else or the fact that at this current time, in the Muslim Middle East, specifically Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, workers are brought in from Muslim African countries, especially Mauritania. Senegal, Dahomey, Chad, Cameroon as well as Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and treated as cheap labour/slaves.

In the past specific Jews engaged in the brokering of slaves during a period when it was wide spread. It was inexcusable and violated basic precepts of the Jewish religion that forbid such practice. There is no justification for it and I am not here to defend it.

I am here to say to single it out selectively and ignore the full context of just who the slave owners were is a shallow, transparent political device.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/

https://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/The-Jewish-slaveholders-586544

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt9qg5gs

https://www.thejc.com/news/features/jews-and-slavery-the-myths-and-the-truth-pxlah3hv

Like all other peoples who engaged in slavery those of us Jews in the past who did engaged in immorality but to raise it as a method to piss on Jews and not discuss the entire context of slavery is inexcusable. In so doing it trivializes this crime and exploits it for narrow reasons of hatred against Jews.

Using it to smear Jews bastardizes its implications.

 

Right, so west African Jews that lived, grew up and had families in africa, who originally came from Portugal be that as degradado or lancado (merchant).

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Hey guy, stick to the topic will ya

This subject is about slaves in Africa that were Jews, NOT WHITE JEWISH EUROPEAN SLAVERS that you want to chat about (to ease your guilt perhaps, since nobody ever talks about that), maybe you could make your own topic called "White Jewish European slavers in the Americas during the trans Atlantic slave so called trade"

 

Calling the Jewish children who were deported from Portugal to some of the early slave plantations "West African Jews" is simply wrong. You can talk about their descendants, some of whom were indeed subsequently taken to the America but I doubt their ethnic and religious make-up by that point would be much more complex than you'd probably want to believe.

I'm not entirely clear what your point was meant to be.

 

This process lasted centuries, up until today. At what point do they become African in your world (probably never)?

In mine, they become African from day 1 and their offspring are 110% African.

The subject of Jews in exile in west Africa from Portugal is a subject you have probably never known about until today. That is the point of the topic:

The lançados (literally, the thrown out ones[1] or the cast out ones) were settlers and colonizers of Portuguese origin in Senegambia, Cabo Verde, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and other areas on the coast of West Africa. Many were Jews—often New Christians—escaping persecution from the Portuguese Inquisition.

The numbers could have run into the millions over the centuries through integration. The Barbary pirates are said to have been made up of many of these African Jews and were a retaliation to the inquisition.

 

it's not complex at all. Jews were specifically targeted in Africa, by decree from Portugal and Spain, during the trans Atlantic slave so called trade. Rounded up, shackled and led to the coastal ports like Elmina castle, to be sent to the Americas. This is why many black Brazilians carry names such as Oliveira and Pereira (Portuguese Israelite names)

 

It isn't my world (or yours), it was their world. How people perceive their place in the world, and how they are perceived by others, is complex and nuanced. I very much doubt the Jews who first went to Africa from Portugal would have considered themselves African, especially those who were sent against their will or felt forced to flee. Their descendants would likely vary on a range of factors, depending on their relationships with the lives and cultures of their Jewish and African parents. I'm sure plenty of the descendants would have considered themselves African (as much as they wouldn't have even thought about it), but equally, many of them may not have considered themselves Jewish.

Sorry, that is just ridiculous, especially in the context of transported slaves. On that basis, all the African slaves transported to the New World would have become American the moment they set foot there.

You know what they say about assumptions. I knew enough to recognise that you were intentionally over-simplifying and misrepresenting a long and complex history to support your pre-determined socio-political opinions about black Jews.

 

Well there is no doubt they would have considered themselves African after a while, or maybe you're one of those ppl that believe only "whites can be English"?!?!

Jewish is not a nation btw and since they were scorned and exiled by the Spanish and Portuguese I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to identify as such anymore.

This is exactly what happened to so called African Americans. They were American from day one and sent into exile by the African princes'.

It's clear to me that you were not aware of the magnitude of the Jews sent into exile in west Africa. You are not alone. It's most likely that nobody on this forum knew or knows, unless they're reading this.

 

This thread is flawed because of the heading and the intent behind it to single out Jews when discussing slavery.

 

Well my guy, it was all in the Portuguese archives, not mine.

Thousands of Jews were exiled from Iberia during the inquisition, most of them taken to Africa by the hundreds of merchant and pirate ships waiting in Lisbon to take them to Africa. The Jews still had their money and belongings and chose to relocate to the Portuguese colonies in west Africa.

Bet you can't wait for me to tell you what happened after that, right. Gonna blow your whole BS narrative wide open.

Even honestjoe: ( You can talk about their descendants, some of whom were indeed subsequently taken to the America ) has alluded to it and I've not even said a word yet!

 

Article never says that the Jews were slaves.

 

Nice to see you've revived an ancient thread that you seem fascinated by.

Do you know what true power is?

 

Those Jews that were sent to Africa from Portugal were either "convicted criminals" known as degradado [in Portuguese] or abducted children.

And yes, they were negro (according to the Jewish almanac)

 

Nothing to do with my question OR the original post

The article YOU posted says nothing about Jews being slaves.

 

Jewish Almanac does not say that Portuguese Jews were black.

I just spoke to one today and he was very not black.

Lots of Sephardic Jews in the USA today, none of them are black.

Someone lied to you.

 

Prolly cuz he was a German (Ashkenazi) Jewish guy

 

Yup, the Jewish encyclopedia definitely says they were black, so does chatgpt

 

Nope, Sephardic Jew, family has land in Brazil, descended from Portuguese Jews exiled from Iberia.

 

Jewish Encyclopedia says no such thing.

 

Well Herzl pretended he was Sephardi too, so did Roman abramovich. In fact a Jewish rabbi was recently arrested in Portugal for forging fake Sephardi passports for Ashkenazis. Facts