Joe gets serious

I read what you say but I think you are a victim of belief in government "science."

 

Government doesn't have the ability to correct its mistake. It is impossible because they are unable to recognize them. A perfect example is the continued defense of the disaster in Afghanistan. They don't have a mirror in which to look.

 

Correct. That is not common sense. It is science. The viral load affects which side wins the battle between virus and antibodies. When the virus is resistant to the vaccines, it isn't likely that the antibodies will win the battle. Not opinion. Not common sense. Science.

 

IF. But they are not doing this, they are giving the choice, vaccinate or get tested weekly.

when they start firing people, I'll allow for the 'coerce' characterization.. But, 'force' means at gun piont, or several men holding you down while they give you the shot.

Until such time in either case, you are just given to hysterics.

 

Force does not just mean at gun point. You even said it earlier…get vaccinated, get tested or get a new job. That is the definition of being forced to do one of those things.
For companies that force employees to get drug tested or they lose their job, is that being done at gun point??? The answer is no…it’s not being done at gun point. Proving my point that force does not only mean at gun point. There are many different ways to force people to do things.

 

I'm not talking about what companies do, I'm talking about a government policy, WHICH IS: Choose vax or get tested.

That's not a forced vaccination, that's giving an alternative to vaccination.

If a companies is forcing, then boycott them. I don't support vax or get fired, that' wrong.


I don't support vax or homeschool, either.

 

But that is still govt forcing people to either get vaccinated or tested.

 

So much for the illusion of "choice".....Hey joe, I dont give a damn about anything wearing thin you would be dictator...come and make me!

 

It's an ultimatum designed to wear you down into eventual capitulation. There is no "choice" when a dictator issues an ultimatum.

 

While I DO NOT AGREE AND AM FULLY AGAINST Biden wanting to mandate getting vaccinated, that hardly makes him a dictator. It is beyond silly how each side throws that word around. It's as if you (meaning BOTH sides) don't actually know what a dictator is. Meh...wallow in ignorance for all I care.

 

No he is not a dictator. He is just poor at convincing people that he is correct. He hasn't noticed that nothing we have done as a nation has brought covid under control. Instead of understanding that the virus is in charge, he just pouts and wants to increase measures that have failed in the past. He should stop consulting with political government doctors and talk to some that actually practice medicine in the private sector. Or he could just watch some of them on TV. Stop trying to eradicatell covid. It won't work. Start working on managing it. It will be with us for a long, long time.

 

Its the same data. What is the risk for healthy people?

 

No, I'll accept that the state forces you to get tested.

The state forces you to stop at stop signs, too.

The state forces you to do a lot of things.

It doesn't force you to get vaccinated.

 

Currently that is true but we’ve been talking about if Biden gets his way and makes it mandatory. At that point it will be govt forcing people to get vaccinated or get tested.

 

His policy only forces you to get tested. YOu are not forced to vaccinated.

But forced testing is no different than forced obeying the rules of the road.

 

It FORCES employers to waste tons of $ on constant testing thus forcing employees to get vaxxed as no employer is going to keep wasting $.

 

Basically, "I'll force you to do something I'm not allowed to force, then when you in turn, force them I can say "see, I did not force anyone"

It's a reacharound to tyranny.

 

So Biden isn’t calling for mandating vaccination or testing? Are you saying he’s only calling for mandating testing?

 

No, if you choose not to vaccinate, you MUST get tested.

Therefore, the ONLY thing being FORCED is testing.

Lots of things like being tested are forced, like having to appear to work at a designated time, like having to stop at stop signs, etc.

Give it time, you'll figure it out.

 

And if you choose not to get tested, you MUST get vaccinated. You can play semantics all you like. If Biden gets his way people will be forced to get vaccinated OR get tested.

 

Meh. OSHA does not have this power but nothing has stopped this administration from trying to violate the constitution. It’s not a matter of if this will be overturned but when.

 

The man is a vegetable- and rotting from the inside, and trying to do the same to this nation. Compared to that threat- the pandemic is a a small and temporary problem that will pass like bad weather. YOU are turning a blind eye to the same things you would have soiled your shorts over if Trump had done it, because this is the result of what YOU wanted. Hate rules your logic, and there is no way to defend that.

 

And yet over the last few days Congress has held hearings on the withdrawal and the policies leading us to remain too long. Both Dems and Repubs have been critical of the admin though Dems more so from the standpoint of what can be learned with Repubs trying to score points against Old Joe.

 

Or they have the choice of seeking employment elsewhere. Though their prospects are not very good since many employers, even before Biden's mandates, have begun to insist on rational, safe behavior from their employees with regard to the people they work with if not themselves.

 

Karma?

Fifth Conservative Anti-Vax Radio Host Dies Of COVID Within Six Weeks

Bob Enyart, a conservative Colorado radio host who called for a boycott of COVID-19 vaccines, has died from COVID-19 amid a grim pattern of anti-vaccine radio personalities ultimately succumbing to the virus.

Fred Williams, Enyart’s “Real Science Radio” co-host, announced the death via Facebook on Monday.

“It comes with an extremely heavy heart that my close friend and co-host of Real Science Radio has lost his battle with Covid,” Williams wrote.

Prior to his death, Enyart announced that he and his wife (who has also contracted COVID-19, according to Westword) had “sworn off” taking the vaccines because fetal cells had been used in their development, and urged his followers to do the same in order to “further increase social tension and put pressure on the child killers.”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...vax-radio-host-dies-of-covid-within-six-weeks

I do not wish death upon anyone. Okay, maybe a few folks. But I will say this. To the extent these talk show hosts kept people from getting the vaccine it's a good thing they are off the air.