John Bolton Reveals why Putin didn't invade Russia during Trump.

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump, to put it bluntly, was one ignorant fellow by Presidential standards, as Bolton, and many others, all of whom have written books confirming this very point.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-bolton-reveals-little-donald-084319710.html

    Former President Donald Trump’s grasp on the geography of Russia wasn’t exactly first class, according to his former national security adviser John Bolton.

    Trump “barely knew where Ukraine was” and once asked if Finland was part of Russia, Bolton told Newsmax host Rob Schmitt on Tuesday.

    Bolton recalled Trump’s stunning lack of knowledge while countering Schmitt’s claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin did not invade Ukraine during Trump’s presidency because Trump took a “very tough stance” on the country.

    Trump “did not” take a tough stance on Russia, responded Bolton.

    The Trump White House did sanction Russia, he continued, but “in almost every case” the restrictions were imposed “with Trump complaining about it, saying we were being too hard.”

    “It is just not accurate to say that Trump’s behavior somehow deterred the Russians,” Bolton said. “I think the evidence is that Russia didn’t feel that their military was ready.”


    But, there is another reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump.

    It has to do with Putin's perception of Trump and why he helped him get elected, and there really is one reason and it has to do with Exxon and Oil versus US sanctions against their development.

    First, some background:

    Before Trump took office. Exxon had secured the rights to develop almost 64 million acres in the north sea areas of Russia. Estimates have been that had that development been allowed to bear fruit, it would have enriched Putin to the tune of some 500 billion big ones.

    Because of Putin's annexation of Crimea, Obama, rightfully so, enacted sanctions on Russia, which disallowed that development.

    The CEO of Exxon was Rex Tillerson, so it was no coincidence he was made Secretary of State, thus providing Putin with the hope that his dream of Trump administration allowing Exxon to develop the north sea regions was strong in his mind.

    So, the reason he didn't invade Ukraine because he understood political pressure would be put on Trump to increase sanctions, not lift them, as he had been hoping Trump would do ( Trump had made hints that he didn't like the sanctions).

    Congress had enacted sanctions with a veto proof majority and Trump had no choice but to implement them. In point of fact, he dragged his feet in their implementation for some time before Senate pressure forced him to finally implement them. This fact is consistent with Bolton's position that Trump felt we were being too hard on Russia. You can't give Trump credit for sanctions when congress signs them into law via a veto proof majority.

    Still, because of this fact, Putin's perception of Trump was that he was politically on Putin's side and had hopes that he would eventually succeed in lifting sanctions. Putting Tillerson as SoS emboldened Putin's resolve, don't rock the boat with Trump, he just might get the sanctions lifted. That plus the issue of the Magnitsky Act repealed was on his mind, as well.

    The fact that Trump never did is beside the point, the salient fact is that it remained Putin's perception of Trump, that lifting sanctions was always hoped for, that Trump might get his way, and attacking Ukraine would work against that because it would solidify American public outcry against Putin and weaken Trump's ability to lift sanctions even more.

    That, in a nutshell, is the reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump. I see a lot of comments on this forum bragging that 'Putin didn't invade under Trump' as if he had to do with some redeeming quality of Trump. Sorry, Trump has no redeeming qualities, and he, by his ignorance alone, is a threat to national security.

    With Biden, he knows there NO HOPE of lifting those sanctions, so, the incentive to not invade Ukraine has been removed

    With the disaster that was the Trump presidency, the logic that we should vote for Trump because Trump loves Putin and Putin Loves Trump is a bogus narrative.

     
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  2. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Trump...

    Did not take action to get the Capitol police officers backup and his own supporters shrug off the death of 5 Capitol officers.
    Paid for the t-shirts "Biden, Let Me In" worn by the people in the photos taken at the border.
    Negotiated with terrorists and unleashing them on our skeleton crew he left in Afghanistan, our allies and Afghani friends.
    Lied to his supporters that Biden was letting terrorists in (the people that risked their lives to help our side in their country).
    Earned $54 Million from China during his presidency and constantly praised Xi when he was blocking investigators from the Wuhan Lab.
    Helped Russia coordinate this attack and whatever else he thinks will keep his supporters sending money to him.
    Is behind all the election officials, workers and volunteers continuously being threatened.
    Is behind all the lawyers and judges continuously being threatened.


    ALL of it is designed for one purpose - Monday Morning Quarterbacking so he can keep getting donations (that he's not using for an election fraud cases) and convince his supporters that he's their "only hope" from all the bad things the Democrats have done since taking office. He's a master con man. He knows how to manipulate people and they don't seem to care how unethical, immoral or illegal his behavior is. It's never a good sign when people side with criminals over law enforcement, their own POTUS and their own country.

    Cue "Holding out for a Hero"





    They are holding out for a Zero.

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  3. Hey Now

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    Maybe I missed a few things re Trump and Russia sanctions but I seem to recall a few not widely covered articles that even though Congress sanctioned Russia and many of Vlad's 'earners', Steven Minuchin reported dragged his feet very well at FinCEN and Treasury by not enforcing them.
     
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    I think it would be wise to be a bit skeptical of someone who's trying to sell a book and clearly has a bias.

    But confirmation bias can certainly turn off your critical thinking
     
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    Bottom line. Russia did not attack the Ukraine or anyone else during the Trump administration. That is a good thing.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Putin had to have something on Trump, can't just be the loans
     
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    Russia was attacking the USA by helping Trump become President, they were celebrating that and spreading propaganda, this was something they never dreamed could be done, so easily and cheaply
     
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    So despite the OP's post being consistent with the historical record and coinciding with accounts from other Trump insiders you don't want to accept its veracity because..........Dear Leader.
     
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    Maybe Don was still angling for that Moscow hotel.
     
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    I'd think this thing was started by team's Brandon's war mongering and trying to expand Nato. That wasn't happening under Trump. So, no Russia - Ukraine war. Very simple.

    Now team Brandon is in place war mongering. I understand a Ukraine nuclear power plant has been struck. And now the whole world may burn.

    At least we have the "Harris Administration" to let us know that Ukraine is a nation in Europe. And Russia is another nation in Europe. And Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine... etc.

    LETS GO BRANDON!!!! I ****ing hope my kids survive these mass murderous morons.
    And cloth masks will protect you from Covid! Lock downs will save humanity! That virus totally didn't come from a lab.
    And please, just keep repeating the Russian collusion lie. Totally doesn't make you look like a McCarthy-ite.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Changing the subject now, are we?
     
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    seems you were doing that
     
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    How so? The OP was the Ukraine. I commented on the Ukraine. You headed way over into left field. Pun intended.
     
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    Please provide evidence of either.

     
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    1) I have no idea how your clip fits into this discussion. Even if somehow it did? Russia did not invade Ukraine under Trump. What changed...
    2) https://www.vox.com/22900113/nato-ukraine-russia-crisis-clinton-expansion "
    When tens of thousands of Russian troops started moving toward the Ukrainian border late last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin effectively issued an ultimatum: They won’t go home until he had “concrete agreements prohibiting any further eastward expansion of NATO.”

    This week, as the US and Russia exchange formal diplomatic letters, Secretary of State Antony Blinken emphasized that “NATO’s door is open, remains open, and that is our commitment.”"
    Emphasis added.

    I did a search and do not find Trump was doing this with Ukraine at all.
    It also feels a lot like under GHWBush, his people telling Saddam they don't care if Iraq invades Kuwait which emboldened them to do so. Aaaaand here we are 100s of thousands, maybe even millions dead and trillions squandered. You may recall Biden saying no big whoop if Vlad invades Ukraine just a little.
     
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    How is noting NATO's open door policy proof of......... "I'd think this thing was started by team's Brandon's war mongering and trying to expand Nato."
    Rather than asserting Biden is trying to expand NATO why not acknowledge the truth? Ukraine has expressed an interest in joining.
     
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    Because that "open door" statement and the "OK for Russia to invade a little bit" sent Russia a message that they needed to do this. So, here we are.
     
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    Trump is not president...
     
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    Good thing or he would have abandoned the Ukrainians the way he sacrificed the Kurds to Vladdie & Turkey.
     
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    Trump has traveled all over the world and had projects in many countries and I'm supposed to believe he thought Finland is part of Russia? At least he knew there wasn't 57 states.
     
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    When I saw the part that claimed Putin elected Trump I knew it was b's.
     
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    EDIT: Tucker also says Kamala was warm about letting Ukraine into NATO, which she knew or should have known would be inflamatory:

    @5:50

     
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    A disgruntled fired warmongering employee bashing his boss.... imagine that...
     
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    Biden is financing Putin’s war and you’re concerned about Trump?
     
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    Bolton-Cheney-Anybody who once worked for a Bush. Now heroes to the dems.

    Trump really did a service to our country.

    Jon Bolton wanted American troops fighting in Ukraine. He wants that flag flying! What a pathetic shitbag!



    Congrats to you dems. The neocons are yours now and you honor them.

    John Bolton the voice of god to dems.
     
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